To sign or not to re-sign that is the question with Freddy Andersen.?

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Insiders have said Leafs feel good about the team all will be "all-in". No idea what that means but they have said they would be willing to deal a top prospect to get that top 6 forward the have long been rumoured to be targetting.

The idea of using up assets for rentals before we've found our next goalie scares the carp out of me.

Tend to agree but Dreger also mention numbers for Matty that were in McDavid territory and he was bang on. In Hyman's case, all signs point to Hyman taking a hometown discount but it is looking like it will be higher than some would like.

6.5 seems high to me. If he is right about that then we're in trouble.

Edit - not saying he's not worth 6.5, he may well be.
 
The idea of using up assets for rentals before we've found our next goalie scares the carp out of me.



6.5 seems high to me. If he is right about that then we're in trouble.

Doesn't have to be a rental but if he wants to go big (i.e. Hall) it might.

If Dubas is as good as his disciples think he is, Hyman should be the easiest player to sign. As Poulin said this morning, his whole life is around his home. He's going to have to give a discount or he will be another victim of overpaying our top 4 forwards and the flat cap.
 
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Tend to agree but Dreger also mention numbers for Matty that were in McDavid territory and he was bang on. In Hyman's case, all signs point to Hyman taking a hometown discount but it is looking like it will be higher than some would like.
A blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.
 
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2020 Tampa Bay - .927
2019 St. Louis - .914
2018 Washington - .922
2017 Pittsburgh - .929
2016 Pittsburgh - .923
2015 Chicago - .926
2014 Los Angeles - .911
2013 Chicago - .932
2012 Los Angeles - .946
2011 Boston - .940

That's what it takes. There's no, "I feel" or "I think" about it. Are you getting that or are you not?
 
Doesn't have to be a rental but if he wants to go big (i.e. Hall) it might.

If Dubas is as good as his disciples think he is, Hyman should be the easiest player to sign. As Poulin said this morning, his whole life is around his home. He's going to have to give a discount or he will be another victim of overpaying our top 4 forwards and the flat cap.

I agree Hyman is the most likely player to take a discount but it shouldn't be something insulting either. Maybe he's worth 6 but signs for 5, something like that. That would be a 16.66% discount which is a fair bit.

Edit - or hopefully they figure he's worth 5 and will sign for 4. a 20% discount would be sweet. :)
 
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Tend to agree but Dreger also mention numbers for Matty that were in McDavid territory and he was bang on. In Hyman's case, all signs point to Hyman taking a hometown discount but it is looking like it will be higher than some would like.
People will crap themselves when Hyman gets 5M for 8 year deal mostly front end loaded after seattle draft ... and it will be smartly tax planned ... it is only way to give him deal til he is 36 ... otherwise he will get 5.5M-5.75M Josh Anderson deal for 7 years UFA
 
People will crap themselves when Hyman gets 5M for 8 year deal mostly front end loaded after seattle draft ... and it will be smartly tax planned ... it is only way to give him deal til he is 36 ... otherwise he will get 5.5M-5.75M Josh Anderson deal for 7 years UFA

And while they're crapping themselves, I will smile and drink a toast to Hyman.

BTW I always enjoy your posts when they're not peppered with "da". Maybe that shouldn't annoy me as much as it does but not gonna lie, it does. :cheers:
 
Who to sign?

CapFriendly search.

I looked for someone not too old (ideally younger than 32) who played a lot of games (over 7) and with a good save % ( >= 0.910). Here is what I found

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UFAs
Chris Driedger
Linus Ullmark
Philipp Grubauer

are worth taking a look at.
 
2020 Tampa Bay - .927
2019 St. Louis - .914
2018 Washington - .922
2017 Pittsburgh - .929
2016 Pittsburgh - .923
2015 Chicago - .926
2014 Los Angeles - .911
2013 Chicago - .932
2012 Los Angeles - .946
2011 Boston - .940

That's what it takes. There's no, "I feel" or "I think" about it. Are you getting that or are you not?

Hard to imagine that people believe the Leafs defense is so uniquely and exceptionally bad, that they think the normal standards of goaltending just completely don't apply to Andersen, and his .903 is good goaltending.

Seriously unbelievable.
 
Man I'm starting to become an Andersen apologist after some if the comments on here.

I've never been a fan of Andersen and wanted him gone a while back but the blame he is getting right now seems overboard.

Hes 31 year old goalie on the decline who by years end will put a ~.910

He is a 15-20 range starter at this point and mind you his cap hit is in 4 way tie for 12th.

He will end the year underperforming by a tier or so when he gets a low .910 and is 15th to 20th best starter in the league while being paid 12th to 15th highest paid goalie.

We expected for anderse from 2017 to 2019 when he was in the 6th to 10th best goalie in league category to carry on and become better with better defense but he has declined and isnt as sharp mentally and in his movements at the moment

Still a starter and not complete garbage like some are saying but definately not a 60 start workhorse any more

If he took 3 years 3 million I'd bring him back for a tandem with Campbell but otherwise might be best for both sides to move on
 
I'm not sure why you'd assume that. That would require him playing at a level he hasn't played at since 2018, and even at that level it would be close.
He was at a .909 I think before the last two games. I think .909-.911 is pretty much a certainty what he needs the year with

It will come to if our offense can win with that type of goaltending or if Jack Campbell can stay healthy and handle a starter schedule the last 29 games and put .918 and above like was expected from Andersen
 
To follow on the Leafs use of Hall & Oates for their victory music with...

You Make My Dreams

Freddie causing us to bow out in the 1st round again, especially in this weak North division....

I can't go for that (no can do)

Freddie being an above average starting goalie this year in some fans opinion....

Out of Touch...

And since gender doesn't exist in 2021, Freddie after this season....

She's Gone
 
Some stats, from Natural Stat Trick

5v5 (of goalies with at least 500 5v5 minutes this year - 36 goalies)
  • Andersen's SV% is actually strong 5v5, 92.7%, 9th of 36 goalies
  • In terms of "expected SV%" (what an average goalie would do with the shot quality he's faced), he's basically the same - his expected SV% is 92.3%, so he's +0.4% better than expected, which puts him 8th of 36 goalies in terms of actual - expected. For reference Vasi is #1 at +2.6%, Matt Murray last at -3.5%
4v5 PK (of goalies with at least 50 4v5 minutes this year - 38 goalies)
  • Andersen's SV% is pretty weak 4v5, 81.7%, 30th of 38 goalies
  • In terms of "expected SV%" (what an average goalie would do with the shot quality he's faced), he's similarly bad - his expected SV% is 89.5%, so he's -7.8% worse than expected, 31st of 36 goalies in terms of actual - expected. For reference Fleury is #1 at +6.7%, Saros last at -11.3%
So yeah, the stats suggest he's been a decently above average starter 5v5, top 8-9ish in the league, but very weak on the PK, basically not starter quality at all, ~30-31st on the PK. He's getting lit up hard enough on the PK to make him a well below average starter overall, despite being solid at ES.

I think the underlying thing there is that he's a big, positional, "let the puck hit me" type goalie, who's great at stopping easy-to-average shots, but weak at the high danger shots, where really aggressive, athletic goalies tend to shine. Even strength is mostly easy-to-average shots, so he does well, but PKs are full of high danger shots, where he gets lit up.

To maximize his performance this year, the coaching staff should focus on the PK. Figure out what kind of chances he's good/bad at, work towards a PK scheme that allows the chances/shots he's decent at stopping, and works like hell to disallow the types of chances he sucks at. If we can find a way to get even average PK performance out of Freddy, he'll be acceptable for this year, as he's playing fine at ES. Freddy is the main reason we've got a below average PK this year, and his skillset isn't going to magically improve at his age, so we need to find a way to tweak what kind of chances we allow on the PK to get the most out of him.

I don't think we should re-sign him - he was very good his first 3 seasons with us, but he's been trending down significantly the last 2 years, and will be 32 at the start of next season. It's not a good time to make a bet on him. However, I do think we should ride out the season with him, and try to get the best out of him, which mostly means figuring out a way to make our PK work with Andy in net.
 
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Hard to imagine that people believe the Leafs defense is so uniquely and exceptionally bad, that they think the normal standards of goaltending just completely don't apply to Andersen, and his .903 is good goaltending.

Seriously unbelievable.
5 vs 5 Fred is sitting at 5th best in the league in save %, on PK tho' he is 30 out of 31. Now ppl can take from that what they want (and they will), it's perhaps an idea to hire a new coach for the PK and see what happens

Edit: seems like Ponder got the stats right, mine look like team stats, the point still stands, 5 vs 5 good, pk really bad
 
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2020 Tampa Bay - .927
2019 St. Louis - .914
2018 Washington - .922
2017 Pittsburgh - .929
2016 Pittsburgh - .923
2015 Chicago - .926
2014 Los Angeles - .911
2013 Chicago - .932
2012 Los Angeles - .946
2011 Boston - .940

That's what it takes. There's no, "I feel" or "I think" about it. Are you getting that or are you not?
Bye bye Anderson ...
Hello ( name of new starter)
Lol
 
Who to sign?

CapFriendly search.

I looked for someone not too old (ideally younger than 32) who played a lot of games (over 7) and with a good save % ( >= 0.910). Here is what I found

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UFAs
Chris Driedger
Linus Ullmark
Philipp Grubauer

are worth taking a look at.
Driedger is interesting. 6'4", seems like a late bloomer who kind of came out of nowhere, this is his 3rd straight strong season:
  • 2018/19: 92.4 sv% in 32 AHL games
  • 2019/20: 93.8 sv% in 12 NHL games, 93.2 sv% in 15 NHL games
  • 2020/21: 92.0 sv% in 12 NHL games (so far)
I really haven't seen him much, but the stats look promising. If our pro scouts like his game, I could see rolling with a Campbell/Driedger tandem next year, it'd be very cheap and I can see both being solid. Obviously a stud franchise goalie is the dream, but I'd take a solid tandem that's real cheap, allowing us to put a great team around them - better than overpaying for a mediocre goalie.
 
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Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Dubas re-signs him.
Can’t see any way he doesn’t start game 1 of the playoffs should the Leafs make it and he’s healthy.
 
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