To sign or not to re-sign that is the question with Freddy Andersen.?

[zeke]

61 goalies in the world have faced at least 1500 unblocked shot attempts the past 3 seasons.

Of those 61 goalies, Jack Campbell ranks 8th in sv% and 5th in dfsv%, while playing the 45th most minutes.

Maybe we should give him a shot.

 

[CanadasTeam]

61 goalies in the world have faced at least 1500 unblocked shot attempts the past 3 seasons.

Of those 61 goalies, Jack Campbell ranks 8th in sv% and 5th in dfsv%, while playing the 45th most minutes.

Maybe we should give him a shot.

Is Jack healthy though?

Andersen used to be good, maybe he's not good anymore.

He'd have records like 12-0-0 against Team A .... but in 2020 and on, they'd lose when they play said team.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't have any emotions towards Freddy.

It's just a fact that he's not very good.

Of the 42 goalies that have faced at least 1500 shot attempts this year and last year, Fred ranks 29th in sv% and 30th in dfsv%.

Of the top-31 biggest minute goalies over this year and last, he is 22nd in sv% and 23rd in dfsv%.

He's a weakness on our roster, not a strength.

This only proves my point - calling him a backup isn't fair. He has gone from being an above average #1 goalie to a below average #1 goalie but he's still a #1 goalie, albeit one we'd like to upgrade on.

Of course he's not a strength, I think we can all agree on that.

I noticed you ignored what I said about Dubas. If anyone deserves to be blamed for the fact that he's our starting goalie, it's Dubas. If not him, then who?

 

[zeke]

This only proves my point - calling him a backup isn't fair. He has gone from being an above average #1 goalie to a below average #1 goalie but he's still a #1 goalie, albeit one we'd like to upgrade on.

Of course he's not a strength, I think we can all agree on that.

I noticed you ignored what I said about Dubas. If anyone deserves to be blamed for the fact that he's our starting goalie, it's Dubas. If not him, then who?

I have called out dubas many times for the goaltending.

 

[ToneDog]

This only proves my point - calling him a backup isn't fair. He has gone from being an above average #1 goalie to a below average #1 goalie but he's still a #1 goalie, albeit one we'd like to upgrade on.

Of course he's not a strength, I think we can all agree on that.

I noticed you ignored what I said about Dubas. If anyone deserves to be blamed for the fact that he's our starting goalie, it's Dubas. If not him, then who?

The GM of the year, make such a blunder ?? If they go "all-in" and Andy costs us the division in the playoffs, it will fall squarely on the GM's shoulders. Next few weeks will be interesting to see if he stands pat with our goaltending or sends Andy packing.

 

[BertCorbeau]

The Leafs have already eluded to giving Campbell more opportunity in net. If Andy struggles (and Campbell is healthy) I'd say it falls more on coaching for not giving Andy a shorter leash.

Trading Andersen doesn't make any sense unless they can bring in another goalie.

 

[LeafGrief]

Jack Campbell has played 9 games as a Maple Leaf. Nine. I really like what I've seen from him, but I am nowhere near comfortable handing the reins over to him yet.

I think Freddy is done here unless he really turns it around. I'd love for him to turn it around and I'm hoping that he does. Not only does turning it around mean good goaltending, but he's 100% played himself out of a raise at this point (probably looking at a substantial pay cut, even with bounce back) and it would be great to have cost certain goaltending moving forward. But tbh all of that is probably just grasping at straws and we're almost done with the Andersen chapter here. It's a shame how it's ending, he was fantastic his first three years here. But if you don't perform, especially on a contending team, see you later. He'll get a nice video tribute.

 

[34]

Agreed, Campbell is currently our best option.

Would be neat if we could swap our backup Freddy for an upgrade tho.

No question Campbell is the best option. Now, only if you can call Dubas and Keefe and tell them this! Someone needs to relay the message, before the team is out of a playoff spot.

 

[AvroArrow]

Campbell needs to be given a real shot when he comes back, split the games 50/50, Andersen has not performed well and he shouldn't just be handed the starting role because once upon a time he was good enough to be a regular starter. Fleury is an interesting option although I don't know if he's available. He would still only be a short term answer.

 

[Judas Tavares]

I think Freddie had a nice start to his Leaf career. He was stable, something we hadn't had for years. In fact he was better than stable. He was good. Not amazing, but very good.

Even in that first playoff series vs. Washington, while I do rip him for that awful Tom Wilson goal, he was good overall. Game 6 he made some incredible saves, we just couldn't defeat a juggernaut who happened to be a Stanley Cup Champion a year later.

As the years went on, his numbers were consistent. He had his regular season swings but the end results were good. Both series against Boston did see some leaky play, which started to concern me. But I defended him until the end of last year. Between the poor season and the stinkers against Columbus, it just became enough. Apparent that he may no longer be a strength but in fact a weakness. Especially with other facets of the team improving but the results staying the same.

The Foudy goal officially changed my tone but this year is just keeping that tone on the unfortunate side. I could be a bit more forgiving if we were facing more teams and if our defence was still as poor as before. But an improved defence vs. good but not great teams and the result is still a poor Freddy, it's tough to feel confident at this point.

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

Andy is playing too much this season. This was not the plan.

If he was to resign short term for a lower AAV team friendly deal to remain with us like 3 x 3 I would sign him.

He does not deserve a raise.

I would rather bring in a 2 million dollar goalie and keep the cap space for Hyman.

 

[tmlms13]

Depends who's available to replace him. Jack is a very good backup but he is not a 55-game and 4-rounds level goalie.

 

[PromisedLand]

given the way freddy has played; if he is willing to sign for significantly less AAV such that we can re-sign Hyman without moving someone else off the roster; do you do it?

 

[ToneDog]

Jack Campbell has played 9 games as a Maple Leaf. Nine. I really like what I've seen from him, but I am nowhere near comfortable handing the reins over to him yet.

I think Freddy is done here unless he really turns it around. I'd love for him to turn it around and I'm hoping that he does. Not only does turning it around mean good goaltending, but he's 100% played himself out of a raise at this point (probably looking at a substantial pay cut, even with bounce back) and it would be great to have cost certain goaltending moving forward. But tbh all of that is probably just grasping at straws and we're almost done with the Andersen chapter here. It's a shame how it's ending, he was fantastic his first three years here. But if you don't perform, especially on a contending team, see you later. He'll get a nice video tribute.

Yes Andy is all but gone next season. Our dilema now is what do we do about our goaltending going forward this season and playoffs ? Roll with Andy or find a better option ? Lots of names have been mentioned on the Leaf board but most do not have much playoff experience and would be risky (Saros, Ullmark, Rittich, Elvis, Korpi etc.). I do not see where Dubas is going to find a better, more proven goalie now and if he does, can he and is he willing to pay the price?

 

[Subway Schenn]

Heavily leaning towards a no.

Jack could be the answer, interested to see how short Freddie's leash is when he returns.

 

[sxvnert]

Leafs aren't signing him regardless of how he performs this season. Ditto for Hyman who will demand 6.5m per season. Expect a 2-3m 1A/B type goaltender to share the net with campbell while upgrading the third and fourth goaltenders.

Kyles cap framework is constantly building around the core (Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Marner - Rielly, Muzzin, Brodie, Holl) which is now made more difficult by a flat cap.

 

[LeafGrief]

Yes Andy is all but gone next season. Our dilema now is what do we do about our goaltending going forward this season and playoffs ? Roll with Andy or find a better option ? Lots of names have been mentioned on the Leaf board but most do not have much playoff experience and would be risky (Saros, Ullmark, Rittich, Elvis, Korpi etc.). I do not see where Dubas is going to find a better, more proven goalie now and if he does, can he and is he willing to pay the price?

Unfortunately due to the nature of this year, so many teams are still in the hunt and are probably unwilling to trade a goalie while their dreams are still alive. I've mentioned Khudobin as a target in a couple threads, but I have a hard time imagining the Stars tapping out this early. I imagine Freddy goes back in a trade where we get the guy we want, but it's hard to imagine the scenario where there's guys we want.

I hope Dubas is willing to pay the price. Out of all the positions in the game, goaltending is the one where it's truly do or die. His name may be a curse word around here, but Dubas learned a lot from Lou and paying for goalies is something that Lou has always put first. Dubas paid to get his guy in Muzzin, paid to get his guy in Campbell, and I'm hoping is ready to pay to get his goalie. Contending teams don't have the time to fart around with goalies from the discount bin. If there are no good options available, which there just might not be, then I guess we're all just praying Freddy bounces back. Depends if Dubas is willing to bet his job on it though.

 

[Spirit of 67]

The Leafs have already eluded to giving Campbell more opportunity in net. If Andy struggles (and Campbell is healthy) I'd say it falls more on coaching for not giving Andy a shorter leash.

Trading Andersen doesn't make any sense unless they can bring in another goalie.

When you trade a goalie, you usually get a goalie.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

The GM of the year, make such a blunder ?? If they go "all-in" and Andy costs us the division in the playoffs, it will fall squarely on the GM's shoulders. Next few weeks will be interesting to see if he stands pat with our goaltending or sends Andy packing.

Shanny knows likely both he and Dubie get fired if they don't figure out a way to get a 1st round victory this season ... there is a ton riding on every move they make in next month ... and trading Freddy is highly unlikely as no one else wants him ... best we could do is get freddy to agree to LTIR so we can add a LW and a defender for playoff run

 

[Gary Nylund]

I have called out dubas many times for the goaltending.

Glad to hear you don't believe he walks on water and can do no wrong.

The GM of the year, make such a blunder ?? If they go "all-in" and Andy costs us the division in the playoffs, it will fall squarely on the GM's shoulders. Next few weeks will be interesting to see if he stands pat with our goaltending or sends Andy packing.

If I was him I'd be looking to fix it now. And if by going all-in you mean trading futures for rentals, no way in hell am I doing that unless I'm confident Matthews should be 100% for the playoffs and that's before I even think about the goaltending. Right now, I think it would be wise to save all our assets in case we need them to trade for a goalie.

Leafs aren't signing him regardless of how he performs this season. Ditto for Hyman who will demand 6.5m per season. Expect a 2-3m 1A/B type goaltender to share the net with campbell while upgrading the third and fourth goaltenders.

Kyles cap framework is constantly building around the core (Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Marner - Rielly, Muzzin, Brodie, Holl) which is now made more difficult by a flat cap.

Too paranoid for me. I predict we will resign him and he will give us a discount in exchange for term and a NMC which I'm more than happy to give him. It'll still cost 4+ million, maybe as much as 5 but not a penny more. And we will 100% find the money to sign him, not doing so is simply unthinkable.

Honestly, I would rather move Nylander to find the cap space if that's what it takes rather then lose Hyman.

 

[zeke]

. Ditto for Hyman who will demand 6.5m per season.

Never listen to Dreger.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Never listen to Dreger.

LMAO, I was wondering where that figure came from.

 

[genk]

Please god no.

 

[ToneDog]

Glad to hear you don't believe he walks on water and can do no wrong.



If I was him I'd be looking to fix it now. And if by going all-in you mean trading futures for rentals, no way in hell am I doing that unless I'm confident Matthews should be 100% for the playoffs and that's before I even think about the goaltending. Right now, I think it would be wise to save all our assets in case we need them to trade for a goalie.



Too paranoid for me. I predict we will resign him and he will give us a discount in exchange for term and a NMC which I'm more than happy to give him. It'll still cost 4+ million, maybe as much as 5 but not a penny more. And we will 100% find the money to sign him, not doing so is simply unthinkable.

Honestly, I would rather move Nylander to find the cap space if that's what it takes rather then lose Hyman.

Insiders have said Leafs feel good about the team all will be "all-in". No idea what that means but they have said they would be willing to deal a top prospect to get that top 6 forward the have long been rumoured to be targetting.

 

[ToneDog]

Never listen to Dreger.

Tend to agree but Dreger also mention numbers for Matty that were in McDavid territory and he was bang on. In Hyman's case, all signs point to Hyman taking a hometown discount but it is looking like it will be higher than some would like.