If they were willing to pay Tanev 4.5 x 4 I'm pretty sure they would have been OK paying Brodie 5 x 4. You know, considering he's the better player and all.
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I think Brodie is a solid pickup. He's a 3-4 caliber d-man and is an upgrade to what we are used to having on the 2nd pairing. Don't blame Brodie if they choose to play him with Rielly on the top pairing. Rielly himself stinks defensively but you rarely hear that from most Leafs fans.
I hope Brodie isn't the fall guy that fans are quick to blame. That is all on Dubas.
The Leafs still don't have an all around #1 defenseman on their team. I was hoping for Pietrangelo but Dubas was not willing to trade Nylander or Marner to open up some cap space.. With Marner's ridiculous contract it is hard to get fair value back in a trade.
I hope Brodie isn't the fall guy that fans are quick to blame. That is all on Dubas.
The Leafs still don't have an all around #1 defenseman on their team. I was hoping for Pietrangelo but Dubas was not willing to trade Nylander or Marner to open up some cap space.. With Marner's ridiculous contract it is hard to get fair value back in a trade.
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I have heard so many dubas supporters say that both kerfoot and aj were signed to great deals.
Fast forward a bit and thats clearly not the case.
It is interesting how often they claim that dubas made a great move only to be proven wrong soon after.
Sparks over mcbackup, kadri for barrie and kerfoot, most of dubas' contracts, etc.
They even thought that the 19-20 leaf team was going to be the best we had in years! Meanwhile, in reality, we lost to our own 40 y.o. emwrgency back up, couldn't make the 1st round and have been clearly getting worse.
It's almost like they don't fully understand how the game of hockey works. Yet, after being proven wrong, often, they are still very condescending towards anyone who doubts dubas.
It makes no sense.
Most said good, along with Kapanen, but how is that "clearly not the case"? Kapanen certainly got great value.
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They were good/great deals, but yeah we all should have known Covid was gonna happen; flatten the cap, and make it so half the league would be unable to pay their players and render almost every bottom-6 player IN THE LEAGUE moot.
Do you have the lottery numbers as well because obviously you knew? We get it. You hate Dubas. Go support another team. No need for your damn negativity.
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There's no way Kerfoot/Johnsson are going to return anything in a trade when there's free agents available that can do more and will come in at a cheaper cap hit.
We may actually be stuck with them this season.
If the Leafs want to solidify their d-corps once and for all, it will probably have to come at the expense of Nylander and/or some of the higher value prospects/picks.
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It will be interesting seeing how the Leafs wiggle out of the cap tightness. It may still be flipping Freddie. Interesting marketplace.
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Calgary knows the two players a lot better than any eastern division club. I believe they think they have the better player and that may be correct but not by a lot, and he is still glass. My hope is that Brodie can be a little better as a Leaf than he was recently as a Flame which is definitely possible. The choices were made and now we get to see.
Of course it may also be the Flames gave Brodie their final number and he just walked so Tanev was the fall back after they overplayed their hand. I would have preferred Tanev at the lower hit myself but players don't tend to get less fragile after 30 so I can see the logic in the choice.
Two decent moves by Dubas. Are we really that much harder to play against though? Maybe that comes in the next move? Addition by subtraction? Trading a forward who isnt all that hard to play against and getting a lesser forward more sand paper and maybe a pick. Making the move mostly to get under the cap.
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They can waive both Marincin and Rosen for an extra $1.5 mil.
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People have no concept with odds and probability.
You can make a move with favourable odds but then still have it blow up in your face. That does not make it a bad move, because if you continue making similar moves (or even near identical moves), it will work out in your favour far more often than not... Which is exactly what we have seen with Dubas.
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Or send down Sandin, which is far more likely given he is not a top 6 defenseman on the Leafs right now.
One of Rosen or Marincin is a #7 right now and would stay up. I would say Marincin has the edge, but it would be determined in camp.
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Agree. Or they can move Dermott. I guess it depends on what they think they still need to change. Adding Brodie definitely should make our d better, but I’m not convinced we are done yet.
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The goalie market has suddenly shrunk. I am afraid if they deal Freddie it will have to be for their new 1a. Kuemper would be a nice get in a trade but not sure of the cost because it seems like they wouldn't want a goalie back.
Signing TJ Brodie is a fairly solid move. I mean he's not the stud dman that Pietroangelo is, but some team will probably regret the deal they give Pietro in about 4 or 5 years. 4 years is the perfect contract length, and 5 mil AAV is only 400k more than he was making on his last deal.
At best, he jumps into our top 4, and can help at both ends of the rink.
At worst case, I still think he will be more effective than Tyson Barrie and Jake Gardiner in our own end. Hoping this works out.
At best, he jumps into our top 4, and can help at both ends of the rink.
At worst case, I still think he will be more effective than Tyson Barrie and Jake Gardiner in our own end. Hoping this works out.
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Calgary replaced him with Tanev because they do know something, and clearly he lacks defensive abilities hence why they signed Chris.
Apparently Kyle hasn't got the memo yet, defensive defenseman.
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Apparently Kyle hasn't got the memo yet, defensive defenseman.
Gotta love it
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Ideally I’d still like to find a Pesce type D to play with Rielly while Brodie plays RD with Muzzin.
That would leave Dermott/Holl/Sandin in their ideal 3rd pairing roles for now.
That would give us one of the strongest Bluelines with a mix of everything.
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It is simply laughably absurd to suggest hes anything close to being a #5-6. Its proven false by any mentric one wants to use
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Tanev has literally never played a full 82 game season in his NhL career. I believe last season's 69 games was his first without an injury
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Without trading Marner or Nylander, the reality is that we never had a legitimate shot at acquiring a marquee guy to pair with Rielly.
All things considered, I'd rather keep all our firepower up front with a second tier top pairing guy in Brodie and see how things play out.
..and he was injured and "week to week" after the last game of this season so it would have continued. Solid D but poor guy is really injury prone.
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For what it's worth...Pat Steinberg is a radio host in Calgary on 'the fan' and he wanted TJ Brodie to return. He's also a Flames fan born in Calgary. I think he's one of their better hockey analysts and respect his opinion.
Brodie was 9th in defensive turnover rate (10%) this season, so he's not bad defensively.
