Value of: Timothy Liljegren

[Maplebeasts]

Nice edit. But the original version is still there for everyone to see... including in one of your own posts.

Yeah it was a bit harsh. You spend a lot of your time here just arguing with Leaf fans about stuff though. These are just from your last 20 posts and I can't even quote like 4 or 5 of them because they are in a thread that closed. Of your last 20 posts only like 2 or 3 are not either in a Leafs thread bashing them or arguing with a Leafs fan about something stupid/arbitrary. I will re-iterate you are not some kind of victim here.

Wrong.

Still believing in magic beans, I see.

So, you weren't wrong when you wrote he was 21???

Did I say so ???

Do you even realize how funny that is ?

You cared enough to reply...

And it's quite mysterious to know what I say about EVERY Toronto player.

Finally, I never hesitate to admit when I'm factually wrong...

It would have been shorter to simply state that you did not realize it.

And insults are now allowed ?

It would have been shorter to simply state that you did not realize it.

And insults are now allowed ?

Wrong. I did not call it laughable, I called it funny.

Big difference.

You don't need to excuse yourself.

I'm quite happy that you cared enough to make yourself understood and that you respect the language.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Yeah it was a bit harsh. You spend a lot of your time here just arguing with Leaf fans about stuff though. These are just from your last 20 posts and I can't even quote like 4 or 5 of them because they are in a thread that closed. Of your last 20 posts only like 2 or 3 are not either in a Leafs thread bashing them or arguing with a Leafs fan about something stupid/arbitrary. I will re-iterate you are not some kind of victim here.

Hes knows exactly what he's doing and he's doing it well. Hes a smart guy that knows how to play Devils advocate very well, especially when it comes to the leafs.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Yeah it was a bit harsh.

Nice of you to admit. It takes guts to do that. Respect.

You spend a lot of your time here just arguing with Leaf fans about stuff though.

And what's wrong about that? Don't you like a little ?

 

[Maplebeasts]

Nice of you to admit. It takes guts to do that. Respect.

And what's wrong about that? Don't you like a little ?

Not all the time no.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Hes knows exactly what he's doing and he's doing it well. Hes a smart guy that knows how to play Devils advocate very well, especially when it comes to the leafs.

Thanks, I guess...

Just before I turned 18, and with Terre des Hommes in Montréal, the Leafs won the Cup from the Canadiens.

I still have a tear in my eye when I think about it.

But they were punished...

 

[Meichel Kane]

Leafs needs are secondary scoring and a solid presence in goal, yeah?

*blows dust off Ryder + Halak + 2nd book*

 

[The90]

21? Liljegren is 22 and turns 23 at the end of April.

Thanks for correcting his 1 year difference. I for one am grateful to have that corrected. It makes all the difference in whether or not the rest of his post was valid. Much appreciated.

 

[The90]

It would have been shorter to simply state that you did not realize it.

And insults are now allowed ?

Wrong. I did not call it laughable, I called it funny.

Big difference.

Do you ever contribute to a discussion or are you going to continue to go back and forth over whether he was a year off or not. Like it matters.

 

[The90]

Yeah it was a bit harsh. You spend a lot of your time here just arguing with Leaf fans about stuff though. These are just from your last 20 posts and I can't even quote like 4 or 5 of them because they are in a thread that closed. Of your last 20 posts only like 2 or 3 are not either in a Leafs thread bashing them or arguing with a Leafs fan about something stupid/arbitrary. I will re-iterate you are not some kind of victim here.

Closet leaf fan.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Thanks, I guess...

Just before I turned 18, and with Terre des Hommes in Montréal, the Leafs won the Cup from the Canadiens.

I still have a tear in my eye when I think about it.

But they were punished...

I can respect where you are coming from and unlike most on this site you admit you don't like the leafs which as a hab fan should be mandatory lol. You atleast provide strong points with facts most of the time and can admit when you are wrong. I may hate the habs and disagree with you the majority of the time, but I respect your contribution to this site.

 

[htpwn]

As others have said, I think it will be difficult to get a mutually acceptable value for both sides. Leaf fans will rightly point to his on-ice play thus far and his handedness, in addition to his draft pedigree+AHL performance to show this is not an aberration. Opposing fans will point to his limited role and will want to see more before offering up significant assets.

One thing I will add, though, is that Liljegren is indisputably an NHL defenseman -- a #2 defenseman or #6, to be determined -- and that outcome is a damning indictment on many of those who proclaimed him to be a bust. I'm not talking about opposing fans, but certain reporters and anonymously sourced GMs who for the past several years were insistent that his development was disappointing, in stark contrast with what Marlies watchers were reporting.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I can respect where you are coming from and unlike most on this site you admit you don't like the leafs which as a hab fan should be mandatory lol. You atleast provide strong points with facts most of the time and can admit when you are wrong. I may hate the habs and disagree with you the majority of the time, but I respect your contribution to this site.

I'm blushing...

 

[Morgs]

As others have said, I think it will be difficult to get a mutually acceptable value for both sides. Leaf fans will rightly point to his on-ice play thus far and his handedness, in addition to his draft pedigree+AHL performance to show this is not an aberration. Opposing fans will point to his limited role and will want to see more before offering up significant assets.

One thing I will add, though, is that Liljegren is indisputably an NHL defenseman -- a #2 defenseman or #6, to be determined -- and that outcome is a damning indictment on many of those who proclaimed him to be a bust. I'm not talking about opposing fans, but certain reporters and anonymously sourced GMs who for the past several years were insistent that his development was disappointing, in stark contrast with what Marlies watchers were reporting.

At this point I legitimately don't think being a #1 is off the table. Whats he's done in his overall 3rd pairing comp is absurd. Of defenseman that have played over 500 minutes at 5v5:

Points - T-63rd
P/60 - T-10th
GF% - 42nd
Rel.GF% - 27th
xGF% - 1st
rel.xGF% - 1st
Rel.xGF/60 - 2nd
Rel.xGA/60 - T-16th

Now let's do Adam Fox in his rookie year (where he was a 3rd pairing guy) just for fun:

Points - T-22nd
P/60 - T-39th
GF% - 16th
Rel.GF% - 6th
xGF% - 52nd
rel.xGF% - 3rd
Rel.xGF - 7th
Rel.xGA - 16th

Obviously I'm not saying he's Adam Fox, thats a major development jump through tough ass competition and Fox brings being one of the best PP defenseman in the league. Liljegren is just on the right track having a similar season to another guy who got established in a similar age frame and is having a comparable rookie season. Liljegren is absolutely due to take a major increase in minutes and competition next season.

 

[Petes2424]

It's a weird time to be asking this - I don't think fans of other teams will value him as highly as we do right now. He improves each game - and in the last game against the devils, looked like our best d-man on the ice.

I think he's going to be a rock solid top 4 RHD for us by next year - whereas other fans would still probably need to see more before giving him any real value. He's a young 22 d-man just making his way into the league and figuring things out - but boy did he look confident and well poised yesterday

You’re much more confident than most.

If he plays with confidence, he’s got a good chance to be a top 4 dman. His problem is he rarely plays with any confidence unless the Leafs are up by a few goals.

Maybe he needs a therapist.

To be as good as he was as a teenager, you wouldn’t think he’d have a problem like this. He never should’ve played in the AHL that young. That said, where does he go from here?

Try keeping him with Giordano and maybe he can stabilize his play. I’m rooting for him but he has to get stronger and stop being so scared to make mistakes.

 

[nobody]

As someone who has followed this kid from before the draft until now, hell no we're not dealing with him. He's got top-2/4 pairing potential and we need D badly. This guy is very solid defensively, can skate well, has good hockey IQ, extremely good first pass and his shot is slowly coming around. I think he's the exact type of complimentary 2-way dman any team could use on the right side. He also has a sneaky physical element and is really strong on his feet when he's playing with confidence. If Dubas was a smart guy, lock this kid up to a friendly deal long-term and never look back.

 

[HC7]

He's gross. Leafs got the real deal.

 

[AuraSphere]

You’re much more confident than most.

If he plays with confidence, he’s got a good chance to be a top 4 dman. His problem is he rarely plays with any confidence unless the Leafs are up by a few goals.

Maybe he needs a therapist.

To be as good as he was as a teenager, you wouldn’t think he’d have a problem like this. He never should’ve played in the AHL that young. That said, where does he go from here?

Try keeping him with Giordano and maybe he can stabilize his play. I’m rooting for him but he has to get stronger and stop being so scared to make mistakes.

Don't think this is true - I think you'd be in the minority if a poll was made today. Check out the Timothy Liljegren thread in the leafs board. People are already claiming him to be our next top-pairing dman which I think is a bit high of an ask right now. But I'm like 99% confident he'll be a #3/#4 dman

He's played like one for the past 4 games now

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

Every single team has a Timothy Liljegren in their system. His stock has only dropped since being over-hyped. The Leafs won't get much value back.

 

[Figgy44]

I haven't had a chance to watch him play. How does Liljegren compare stylistically to Brodie? Similar or totally different?

 

[dj Mahoney]

He's gross. Leafs got the real deal.

Agreed !! back in Kristianstad they call him kokt kött ansikte or boiled Meat face . He makes extra money scaring young children.

 

[Knies iT]

I haven't had a chance to watch him play. How does Liljegren compare stylistically to Brodie? Similar or totally different?

Stylistically a cross between Brodie and your Rasmus Andersson. Stralman is the popular comp. Elite breakout and stretch pass ability but we’ll need to see a way bigger sample size to draw parallels to Brodie’s defensive game.

Gio has completely unlocked his confidence physically in the NHL. Improving every game and pacing for 30+pts with no PP time until recently.

Transitional defense is his best asset, but still prone to the odd high-profile gaff. Hard to peg his potential because he’s looked unreal on every pair, even a couple weeks with Rielly on the top.

IMO a guaranteed top 4 two-way guy if he already isn’t.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Every single team has a Timothy Liljegren in their system. His stock has only dropped since being over-hyped. The Leafs won't get much value back.

Good for him he has found a spot but terribly over hyped indeed.
I agree with others, a couple of mid level picks at best.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Every single team has a Timothy Liljegren in their system. His stock has only dropped since being over-hyped. The Leafs won't get much value back.

Rigggghhhhhttttt.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Every single team has a Timothy Liljegren in their system. His stock has only dropped since being over-hyped. The Leafs won't get much value back.

We don't.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Liljegren has been one of Torontos best defensemen as a rookie. His underlying numbers are sublime, he's put up 17 points in 48 games with 0 PP points. His poise makes him look like a young Stralman. He just played on the road in Boston against an incredible possession team in a game where Toronto lost two defensemen early to injury and did this



I honestly hope the people that think he's worth mid-round picks or whatever are consciously trolling, because otherwise they're just frighteningly out of touch with reality.