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Prospect Info: Timothy Liljegren

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Its funny, I'm one of his biggest fans and I thought yesterday he wasn't very good. And then I come in here and see people saying the opposite lol.

Babcock seems to agree unfortunately and gave him less ice-time than basically everyone except the 4th line in the 3rd. Really hoping Babs keeps his mind open, I'd love to see him and Kivi/Sandin open the season on the bottom pair. Unfortunately Babs is the kind of guy that makes one moment impressions and he may never recover.
 
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Morgs said:
Its funny, I'm one of his biggest fans and I thought yesterday he wasn't very good. And then I come in here and see people saying the opposite lol.

Babcock seems to agree unfortunately and gave him less ice-time than basically everyone except the 4th line in the 3rd. Really hoping Babs keeps his mind open, I'd love to see him and Kivi/Sandin open the season on the bottom pair. Unfortunately Babs is the kind of guy that makes one moment impressions and he may never recover.
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I wonder how much input the coach has here vs the GM and scouts. If our amateur scouts, who by all accounts have done a fantastic job these last few years, think Lily is ready for the job, I’d trust their opinion over Babs.
 
Morgs said:
Its funny, I'm one of his biggest fans and I thought yesterday he wasn't very good. And then I come in here and see people saying the opposite lol.

Babcock seems to agree unfortunately and gave him less ice-time than basically everyone except the 4th line in the 3rd. Really hoping Babs keeps his mind open, I'd love to see him and Kivi/Sandin open the season on the bottom pair. Unfortunately, Babs is the kind of guy that makes one moment impressions and he may never recover.
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You consider Rielly to be one of the worst defensive dmen in the league, so naturally, you are finding everyone has the opposite opinion of you in here lol
 
Not My Tempo said:
I wonder how much input the coach has here vs the GM and scouts. If our amateur scouts, who by all accounts have done a fantastic job these last few years, think Lily is ready for the job, I’d trust their opinion over Babs.
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Scouts don't decide who's on the roster .
 
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Maple Leafs said:
You consider Rielly to be one of the worst defensive dmen in the league, so naturally, you are finding everyone has the opposite opinion of you in here lol
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Congrats you prefer the eye test. As I'm sure you know, its been proven to be the best way to both evaluate and predict future success!!

Oh wait.
 
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Not My Tempo said:
I wonder how much input the coach has here vs the GM and scouts. If our amateur scouts, who by all accounts have done a fantastic job these last few years, think Lily is ready for the job, I’d trust their opinion over Babs.
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Ehhh. I doubt they have much if any. It comes down to Babs for the roster decisions, but I think Dubas has some real say, for example Holl.
 
Morgs said:
Congrats you prefer the eye test. As I'm sure you know, its been proven to be the best way to both evaluate and predict future success!!

Oh wait.
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I actually use both when needed, ... I have yet to see a person win a debate using advanced stats, going all the way back when some considered CF% to be the best way to evaluate players ... nothing was proven to predict future success, keep it real bud lol
 
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Not My Tempo said:
I wonder how much input the coach has here vs the GM and scouts. If our amateur scouts, who by all accounts have done a fantastic job these last few years, think Lily is ready for the job, I’d trust their opinion over Babs.
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Do the Leafs' scouts think Lily is ready for the job? I have only talked to a retired scout (who goes to most Marlies home games) and when I last talked to him 5 months ago or so he was not of the opinion that it would be a good idea to promote him.
 
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Maple Leafs said:
I actually use both when needed, ... I have yet to see a person win a debate using advanced stats, going all the way back when some considered CF% to be the best way to evaluate players ... nothing was proven to predict future success, keep it real bud lol
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Well seeing how Corsi was first utilized to predict future success with thousands of simulations I appreciate you telling myself and everyone else you have no idea what you're talking about.

How about you stop quoting me about Rielly in posts that have nothing to do with him? Or better yet, just stop quoting me with your brand of nonsense.
 
scotian1 said:
My main concern with him is his play on the defensive side of the puck.
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Lilly is solid defensively. He was the best Marlies defenceman in the playoffs last season, especially defensively.
In fact his defensive game is better then his offensive game.
 
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Not My Tempo said:
I wonder how much input the coach has here vs the GM and scouts. If our amateur scouts, who by all accounts have done a fantastic job these last few years, think Lily is ready for the job, I’d trust their opinion over Babs.
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Amateur scouts don't have a say on roster make-up, nor do they scout guys currently on the roster. That would be player development staff.

The coach should have pretty much total say over the players he is willing to dress in the line-up. If he doesn't, you are just asking for a toxic situation. The GM has a say on who he doesn't want to waive, and who can sit in the press-box on an NHL salary, but they can't force a coach to play someone the coach doesn't think is ready.
 
From what I have seen in the first 2 games of pre-season other then Harpur no defensemen not in top 4 stood out more then Sandin and Llijegren. Harpur only stood out because of his scrap and size. What I don't get is why the Leafs split them up when they have played together with the Marlies with great results.

Next game I would like to see Sandin-Llijegren paired to see how they do.
 
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Babs and Dubie will decide the 23 man roster together with Dubie with final call. Night to night Babs will decide who plays and what lineup will be. then when Dermott and Hyman get back in we will be down to a 21 man roster and Babs will only decide which 6 of 7 dmen play that night. It is really simple here folks.
 
My concern with Liljegren is his mental game. Which worries me. He appears more and more like Connor Carrick as time passes. Last night, I dont think he was good. He has alot of panic under pressure is one thing. He also has questionable hands at times, not handing pucks well. U cant teach, IQ, game feel, instincts, no panic. Thats why Sandin is much higher of a prospect, Sandin is digesting all the information at high speed, Liljegren is confused by the chaos.
 
Liljegren wasn't very noticeable last night in his first pre-season game. I'd say that's exactly what you want out of a young player on the bottom pair. A quiet game.

I know this isn't a Sandin thread but Sandin looked like he could play top 4 already. Guy is a beast.
 
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mapleleaf979 said:
My concern with Liljegren is his mental game. Which worries me. He appears more and more like Connor Carrick as time passes. Last night, I dont think he was good. He has alot of panic under pressure is one thing. He also has questionable hands at times, not handing pucks well. U cant teach, IQ, game feel, instincts, no panic. Thats why Sandin is much higher of a prospect, Sandin is digesting all the information at high speed, Liljegren is confused by the chaos.
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Really? I thought he looks really calm under pressure now and can handle the puck really well. He's become solid defensively. IMO he's improved so much in that regard from when he was drafted. Only thing I dislike is that he doesn't take as many risks anymore, which I'd like more to happen but oh well (So he can be a well-rounded D-man).
 
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LeafChief said:
Liljegren wasn't very noticeable last night in his first pre-season game. I'd say that's exactly what you want out of a young player on the bottom pair. A quiet game.

I know this isn't a Sandin thread but Sandin looked like he could play top 4 already. Guy is a beast.
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Liljegren looked exactly like he did with the Marlies late last season, solid but lacking offensive flash like a Sandin or Kivihalme

I think he's a good all-around player but he'd be best used with an offensively minded partner if he's going to be played on the Leafs (I think Schmaltz looked ok and would shade to him currently)
 
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LeafingTheWay said:
Really? I thought he looks really calm under pressure now and can handle the puck really well. He's become solid defensively. IMO he's improved so much in that regard from when he was drafted. Only thing I dislike is that he doesn't take as many risks anymore, which I'd like more to happen but oh well (So he can be a well-rounded D-man).
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Yea I see it different. He bobbled the puck coming out of his own zone in the 3rd period as he was skating up the ice and lost possession, he has done this quite a bit in the past. He iced the puck trying a stretch pass, he panicked on a cycle on another play. I never see Liljegren doing anything where I think wow this guy is outthinking people. I see him last night as a guy who cant react as fast as things are happening. Its kind of chaos in his head. Sandin doesnt feel any chaos, he actually creates small chaos when defenders try and anticipate his next move, take another stride or pass, Sandin is extremely elusive to read. He is making fast adjustments to the pressure and they know it.
 
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Leafs need a strong RD in the pipeline and for me , it doesnt appear to be Liljegren. The notion of 16 teams passing on him because of mono is false. Those 16 teams, the scouts, GM's, A-GM's, A-Coach, Head Coach. At least 200+ people on those 16 teams saw the player.

Second half of last year Keefe tried to change Liljegren into a simple defense first focused player. A great move and imo it was to save Liljegren's devolopment. Liljegren can only be a Zaitsev type. Dont handle pucks, win battles in the corners. U just hope when Liljegren is forced to make a decision it doesnt continue to burn the team when or if Liljegren ever makes it long term.
 
The great thing about Lilly is he can handle pressure really well.
He makes small little plays which helps him get away from defenders. Thats one of the many things that stuck out from his time with the Marlies. He will fake one side when a player is close, and then go to the other side. His defensive game has come a long way, where he is now the best defensively from all of our D prospects.
 
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