stickty111
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Tribute Timothy Liljegren part 2
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Muzzin also has a massive xGA/60 (2.48) vs GA/60 (3.38) differential (per natural stat trick). None of the other Leafs' D are even close. So if you're going to blame goaltending, why are the goalies only especially bad when those two are on the ice? e.g. Dermott 2.17 xGA, 2.21 GA. Rielly and Holl also have worse GA than xGA, but not by that much.
That's Rielly, and if you believe the interpretation of some advanced stats, Rielly's one of the worst D at defense in the entire league (but top tier offensively). So perhaps some skepticism is in order before proclaiming Liljegren the next Adam Fox.
Maplebeasts
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There is an article on Maple Leaf Hot Stove about Liljegren today which seems like one of the most honest and fair takes of his play so far this year. Not sure if links are allowed but I'll post it anyway.
mapleleafshotstove.com
Evaluating Timothy Liljegren's play in his first full NHL season
There has been a lot of online discourse surrounding Maple Leafs defenseman Timothy Liljegren as of late. Some consider him to be a top-four defenseman already after posting strong underlying numbers all season, with his recent promotion to the team’s top pair inspiring confidence in his ability...
mapleleafshotstove.com
Nylanderthal
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I think Dubas is forcing him to be on the Leafs, but I find his play more suited for the AHL. His play has not been impressive, but that is just my opinion
Apotheosis
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I disagree. He has been our best D in transition. And he's shown he can handle the physicality of the NHL while being decent defensively. I don't agree with playing him on the top pairing right now but I would love to see him on the second pairing with a guy like Muzzin when he is back.
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Biggest issue I see is they have him paired with Rielly who is average in the d-zone on his best days. Watching the two of them try to work together in the d-zone is not pretty at times.
Liljegren has a very bright future here but as of this specific day we do not possess a suitable partner to pair him with that will allow him to survive in his current usage.
I'm not blaming Rielly, Rielly is elite at what he is good at. More of a team composition issue. Our blueline is soft and has nobody that can help shelter young guys coming up in top 4 roles.
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AuraSphere
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I think HFers are trying a bit too hard to make Liljegren look like some amazing d-men prospect.
I just don't see him turning out to be anything special - he's turning 23, not exactly the youngest. I remember when they traded Durzi and I cursed wishing it was Liljegren instead.
I just don't see him turning out to be anything special - he's turning 23, not exactly the youngest. I remember when they traded Durzi and I cursed wishing it was Liljegren instead.
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I don't like him paired with Rielly, or playing that far up in general. He's worked best with Sandin and Muzzin this season, honestly, I don't see what's wrong with playing him with Sandin and having more of a rotating bottom 4 - use Brodie vs faster competition.
Rielly - Boosh / Brodie
Sandin - Lilly
Brodie - Holl
Rielly - Boosh / Brodie
Sandin - Lilly
Brodie - Holl
I don't know why people shit on this kid constantly
He's being asked to play tough minutes with Mo, who gets caught up ice a lot and isn't the best defender
By comparison, Sandin was a complete train wreck in his one game with Mo, playing a direct role in 3 goals against
I take Lil over Sandin now, and going forward because Sandin skates about as well as Tavares
He's being asked to play tough minutes with Mo, who gets caught up ice a lot and isn't the best defender
By comparison, Sandin was a complete train wreck in his one game with Mo, playing a direct role in 3 goals against
I take Lil over Sandin now, and going forward because Sandin skates about as well as Tavares
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Not a fan. Reasonable middle/bottom pair but takes too many dumb penalties as he is constantly getting beat or out of position,,
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Neither he nor Sandin should be on the ice come playoff time. But they will be, and they will be exposed.
Already touched on this, twins are formed from one single sperm fertilizing and egg and the egg splits creating a direct replica
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If the goals against can't stop, he's not ready for playoffs. He'd give elite Campbell issues too right now. Are people even watching the games when they post tweets about his underlying numbers? He's not a better option than Holl right now and we even need to upgrade him. Holl isn't too pleasant to watch but at least the puck doesn't end up in the net after. You can use one hand to count the times Holls mistakes end up in the net. It just gets magnified because they're easy to remember.
We use Holls mistakes more like advanced stats. We predict it will lead to goals against in the playoffs, but as of right now he's not on for many. Lil is the complete opposite. His mistakes lead to goals directly. Holl has been playing with the same goalies as Lil but he doesn't get lit up, so you have to accept Lil will be an issue in the playoffs at this point.
This is coming from a Lil friend who would choose him over Sandin if I was forced to pick one. His time will come, it's just not now unless they shelter him heavily on the 3rd pairing.
We use Holls mistakes more like advanced stats. We predict it will lead to goals against in the playoffs, but as of right now he's not on for many. Lil is the complete opposite. His mistakes lead to goals directly. Holl has been playing with the same goalies as Lil but he doesn't get lit up, so you have to accept Lil will be an issue in the playoffs at this point.
This is coming from a Lil friend who would choose him over Sandin if I was forced to pick one. His time will come, it's just not now unless they shelter him heavily on the 3rd pairing.
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He’s been fine this year. There will be growing pains with young Dman. If you’re going to play him on top pair you must be willing to accept mistakes.
It's sink or swim for Liljegren, he has been mostly in the AHL since he was drafted back in 2017. Time to see if he is part of the Leafs future.
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He could be a quality 3rd pairing defenseman at the moment, most defenseman take a while, Liljegren is no different.
I could totally see him growing into a 2nd pairing guy at some point but it'll take a while.
I could totally see him growing into a 2nd pairing guy at some point but it'll take a while.
ToneDog
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Do people want him to fail or something, all I see is complaining about his play. Hes not perfect but he does some very good stuff, and will only get better. How about we give a couple of seasons in the NHL before we write him off.
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If you read the posts properly we're willing to give him his whole career. Just don't want him in the top 4 today.
