Tribute Timothy Liljegren part 2
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Rielly should be on the Left side when paired with Brodie. Brodie is stronger on his weak side than Rielly and has a much longer history of succeeding in that role.
Morgs
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Passed Rielly for 1st on the team in defensman GSVA. Best offensive play driver for defenseman on the team (almost double Sandin, and double Rielly), and best defensive play driver, slightly ahead of Holl and Brodie.
The goals against have been unfortunate, but when he's on the ice the Leafs have been at their best overall. No way I take him out of the top-4 for anything at this point.
He'll make mistakes, but so will any young player. Better he makes them now than in the playoffs.
As he's developed he's shown an ability to handle a learning curve, defensively or offensively.
With Muzzin and Sandin out I would honestly give him a few games with a heavy workload while we play some weaker teams (PP2/PK duties and heavy 5 on 5 minutes) and just see what happens.
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His mistakes have been what you see with rookies. He'll get better with experience.
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Yep. Unfortunately:
But we're talking about a guy who has been elite (yes elite) offensively, and top-pair quality defensively in like a half top-4 role in his rookie season based on xG. He makes mistakes, but it feels more like it's guys who say "gotcha" that point them out because they thought he was trash and don't want to be wrong, or simply don't like the fact he's not 6'5" and hitzz.
This is an insanely lofty comp and ill rightfully get blasted for it, but he's the first defenseman to remind me of Adam Fox since Adam Fox... who I honestly thought was a unicorn since his draft year. Stylistically, results-wise, etc. Im not saying he'll turn into Fox, but Liljegren even coming close to that would be insane. Even me, one of his biggest supporters am shocked at how good he's actually been this year. I had a #2 Ceiling, 3/4 realistic on the guy. He's trending towards being a #1 lol.
Problem isn't Lilly, the problem has been his usage
Lilly should have been eased in, like we did we Kaberle and Markov. But that team had bulldozers in Karpotsev(RIP) and Yuskevich ( always love you bro)
My fear is that he may lose confidence and start having self doubt. He'll be a very good D.
Not to mention Kaberle also made a lot of mistakes, Sylvain Cote was there to back him up and CUJO was CUJO
We don't have a vet D that can really work with these young kids. Muzzin really isn't that guy neither is Brodie.
Markov had fellow Russian in those two guys and Kaby had Sylvain Cote
Lilly should have been eased in, like we did we Kaberle and Markov. But that team had bulldozers in Karpotsev(RIP) and Yuskevich ( always love you bro)
My fear is that he may lose confidence and start having self doubt. He'll be a very good D.
Not to mention Kaberle also made a lot of mistakes, Sylvain Cote was there to back him up and CUJO was CUJO
We don't have a vet D that can really work with these young kids. Muzzin really isn't that guy neither is Brodie.
Markov had fellow Russian in those two guys and Kaby had Sylvain Cote
Eye test agrees with that
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Put up another 57 xG% today which funny enough brought down his numbers lol. Keefe trusting him to protect a lead is nice too.
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The only reason people aren't realizing how good he is is because he can't buy a save when he's on the ice. It's actually wild how garbage the goaltending has been with him on the ice.
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Looks great as expected, love that he is incorporating a physical component, not surprised he's pulling more penalties either - he will figure it out
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GSVA
Rielly 2.1
Sandin 1.6
Liljegren 1.4
Muzzin 1.1
Brodie 1.0
Holl 1.0
Dermott 0.3
Lyubushkin 0.0
My biggest concern with him in the AHL was that he wouldn't be willing to develop nastiness in front of the net. Was way too lackadaisical at times and was only physical along the wall.
His battle level is way higher now and he's trying to engage hard. That's all you can ask. The box outs and timing will come if he's at least willing to get in the mix, which some players never develop the taste for.
The only other former Marlie player i've seen evolve their weaknesses like this is Kapanen.
I'd still like to see him get the minutes Holl is getting right now. Get a few games in that 21-22 minute range.
Morgs
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It seemed a little odd that Ferraro kept pointing out Lilligrens mistakes last night.
He has been a little shaky the past few outings but really no more so than the rest of them.
He has been a little shaky the past few outings but really no more so than the rest of them.
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It was strange that Ferraro did that....must be spending too much time with the Overdrive guys.
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Not sure who they are but I imagine Ray's opinion is his own.
Don't get the hate for him . He's young and makes mistake but eveytime I see him he seems to make decent plays. His partners leave him high amd dry and he's trying to cover them when we get scored on and because he's there it's his fault?.the fact that he was picked 17th and is giving us top 4 mins ins a win. Same with sandin. We treat these guys like they r 1st overall picks the way we scrutinize them
You guys need to stop twisting numbers around. Advanced stats in hockey need to be taken with a grain of salt. It works in baseball because every play/pitch has a beginning and an end. Hockey is way too fluid and random.
when I look at Timothy on the ice, the pucks in the back of the net. Plain and simple. Expected goals whatever. The only thing I expect to see when he’s on the ice is a goal against. He loses battles in front of the net. To have him in the top 4 in the playoffs is a big mistake. Bottom pair fine, but in no way shape or form is he able to play top 4 right now. In the future, who knows, but not now. No way!
when I look at Timothy on the ice, the pucks in the back of the net. Plain and simple. Expected goals whatever. The only thing I expect to see when he’s on the ice is a goal against. He loses battles in front of the net. To have him in the top 4 in the playoffs is a big mistake. Bottom pair fine, but in no way shape or form is he able to play top 4 right now. In the future, who knows, but not now. No way!
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Even looking at it through that basic lens, he's +6 on the season
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The Toronto TSN radio show he called in daily to for the last 6 years and now a few times a week.
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He has bad miscues on D that will hopefully work themselves out with experience, but he's far and away our best D at moving the puck the other way quickly and effectively under pressure.
You can tell he's over-thinking on the ice right now and that's where a lot of the random falls and whiffs are coming from, once he has enough experience to react to the game automatically he's going to be a better Brodie.
You can tell he's over-thinking on the ice right now and that's where a lot of the random falls and whiffs are coming from, once he has enough experience to react to the game automatically he's going to be a better Brodie.
