Tribute Timothy Liljegren part 2

[francis246]

there’s still really no reason to think the organization ever wasn’t high on him. That narrative seemed to be born when he was allegedly offered up in the Muzzin deal, and turned down, then the media ran with it and until now had never really stopped with the negativity. The problem is however two fold 1) Muzzin is a damn good player, so being offered in trade for him shouldn’t in any way been seen as a negative for your value and 2) we have zero context to what the parameters of a Liljegren based deal would have looked like or LAs priorities in terms of return.

I didn't hear that it was turned down, I've only heard that Toronto said LA can pick between Durzi and Liljegren and LA chose Durzi. So it's not like they just offered him up. Obviously to get Muzzin they were willing to part ways with him. But like I said in my original post, the organization is clearly happy with how things worked out, they like him. They are using him, so it's all good.

My main thing is I don't view Liljegren as this top tier prospect or untouchable player. I think he's a good player, but nothing earth shattering. but I'd move him in a deal if it made the team better whether thats for a forward or defenseman. That's all. But to some people that's blasphomy

 

[zeke]

I didn't hear that it was turned down, I've only heard that Toronto said LA can pick between Durzi and Liljegren and LA chose Durzi.

that was always a really dumb rumour btw.

 

[francis246]

that was always a really dumb rumour btw.

why is it dumb? there's a possibility it could be true. This kind of senario happens in pro sports all the time. Why is it impossible to believe that Los Angeles preferred Durzi over Liljegren? It's totally possible. Especially given LA's scouting department being one of the best in the NHL.

Not everyone is high on the guy JFC

 

[Griffin76]

why is it dumb? there's a possibility it could be true. Why is it impossible to believe that Los Angeles preferred Durzi over Liljegren? It's totally possible. Especially given LA's scouting department being one of the best in the NHL.

Not everyone is high on the guy JFC

There's also a possibility that Toronto offered Liljegren straight up for Muzzin and LA said they wanted a first too. Toronto said you can have a first but no way in hell you're getting Liljegren too.

 

[zeke]

why is it dumb? there's a possibility it could be true. This kind of senario happens in pro sports all the time. Why is it impossible to believe that Los Angeles preferred Durzi over Liljegren? It's totally possible. Especially given LA's scouting department being one of the best in the NHL.

Not everyone is high on the guy JFC

The two prospects were never nearly on the same level, at any point.

The rumour was silly.

 

[francis246]

There's also a possibility that Toronto offered Liljegren straight up for Muzzin and LA said they wanted a first too. Toronto said you can have a first but no way in hell you're getting Liljegren too.

very true we'll never know but a lot of people have mentioned it so I do believe there is a bit of smoke.

 

[francis246]

The two prospects were never nearly on the same level, at any point.

The rumour was silly.

IN YOUR OPINION LOL. There are many who like Durzi more than Liljegren. like I'm just gonna say it outright, Liljegren is not elite. He's a good young player but he isn't currently and wasn't miles better than Durzi. Durzi might end up being better to be honest. We'll just have to see.

The way you talk about him it's like he's Erik Karlsson junior.

 

[Apex Predator]

very true we'll never know but a lot of people have mentioned it so I do believe there is a bit of smoke.

i always thought it was if you want Liljegren you get a lower draft pick or we’ll give you a first but you don’t get a high prospect. I don’t think the deal was ever 1st plus your choice of Liljegren or Durzi.

 

[Griffin76]

you feel good now? Yes Vegas had multiple early picks. Also aren’t you a jets fan? Idk why we allow trolls on our board.

The question is do you feel good? Why do you feel the need to be the engineer of the pump the brakes on the Liljegren train club?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

LOL. no i speak my mind and I'm not a leafs homer. I love the leafs, always have. But it's a lot of, if you don't love specific ideas that certain people post or if you actually speak your mind about a topic that differs, you're public enemy #1. It's pretty fun though, that's what discussion is about.

as if someone in this thread tried to say Lilejgren is better than Robert Thomas and Josh Norris. had to laugh about that.

also no where did I insult you, so give it a break. so sensitive.

Herein lies your problem: you need to get better at reading and understanding and stop holding others responsible for how YOU interpret what they are saying. Instead of flying off the handle when you aren't getting what they are saying, step back, breathe, try to piece it together rather than jump to attack. You assuming that the issue you are having is because you have a different opinion is further evidence of not getting something.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

IN YOUR OPINION LOL. There are many who like Durzi more than Liljegren. like I'm just gonna say it outright, Liljegren is not elite. He's a good young player but he isn't currently and wasn't miles better than Durzi. Durzi might end up being better to be honest. We'll just have to see.

The way you talk about him it's like he's Erik Karlsson junior.

It was everyone's opinion. At the time of the trade Liljegren was unanimously the better prospect and there's no way L.A would have passed on him for a recent 2nd round overager. It's fine to say that now you like Durzi more, but at the time of the trade, it would have been lunacy.

 

[francis246]

The question is do you feel good? Why do you feel the need to be the engineer of the pump the brakes on the Liljegren train club?

it's a discussion board, it's a thread to have discussions.

 

[disgruntleddave]

Lilly is only coming into his own now. I really like his game personally and am glad we stuck it through with him, regardless of what may or may not have been on the table trade wise.

 

[Griffin76]

it's a discussion board, it's a thread to have discussions.

But you have to be on here as every second post telling the same thing over and over and over and over and over..........if you don't like the kid then move on to another agenda. He's here to stay. He is an NHL defenseman. Both points you were so wrong about. You'll probably be wrong about him not being better than a lot from his draft year. You'll probably be wrong about him not being a top 4 D. And you'll hopefully be wrong about him being elite. My point is you seem to have no agenda on this board other than to knock Liljegren. It is a discussion board but you aren't discussing things. You're just spewing the same garbage every time and as soon as Liljegren proves you wrong on a lower level point you move to the next step up.

 

[francis246]

It was everyone's opinion. At the time of the trade Liljegren was unanimously the better prospect and there's no way L.A would have passed on him for a recent 2nd round overager. It's fine to say that now you like Durzi more, but at the time of the trade, it would have been lunacy.

as leafs fans yes liljegren may have been ranked higher than Durzi but that doesn't mean it's necessarily true when it comes to other organizations. that's why they hire scouting departments right?

 

[Man Bear Pig]

as leafs fans yes liljegren may have been ranked higher than Durzi but that doesn't mean it's necessarily true when it comes to other organizations. that's why they hire scouting departments right?

This consensus wasn't just among Leafs fans. I don't buy that rumour for a second.

 

[francis246]

But you have to be on here as every second post telling the same thing over and over and over and over and over..........if you don't like the kid then move on to another agenda. He's here to stay. He is an NHL defenseman. Both points you were so wrong about. You'll probably be wrong about him not being better than a lot from his draft year. You'll probably be wrong about him not being a top 4 D. And you'll hopefully be wrong about him being elite. My point is you seem to have no agenda on this board other than to knock Liljegren. It is a discussion board but you aren't discussing things. You're just spewing the same garbage every time and as soon as Liljegren proves you wrong on a lower level point you move to the next step up.

i haven't said anything about not liking him, in fact I even said he's worked out for the leafs and it's a good thing.

 

[zeke]

IN YOUR OPINION LOL. There are many who like Durzi more than Liljegren. like I'm just gonna say it outright, Liljegren is not elite. He's a good young player but he isn't currently and wasn't miles better than Durzi. Durzi might end up being better to be honest. We'll just have to see.

The way you talk about him it's like he's Erik Karlsson junior.

they are not, and never were, close as prospects. the rumour was junk.

 

[Cor]

Lilly is only coming into his own now. I really like his game personally and am glad we stuck it through with him, regardless of what may or may not have been on the table trade wise.

(this isn’t aimed directly at you)

We didn’t “stuck it through” anything. Liljegren has been developing excellently. Any “doubt” was unwarranted. Dude has been playing massive minutes in the AHL since he was a teenager.

Media members like Mirtle, Siegel, Hayes, O-dog, Wheeler who decided to shit on Liljegren every chance they could for some reason, to shift the narrative on him, are made to look even more silly right now. They always looked silly IMO.

when we look at Liljegren’s development, there was never any reason to doubt the player.

Unfortunately some people don’t even watch Marlies games and like to pass off their opinion as fact.

 

[zeke]

(this isn’t aimed directly at you)

We didn’t “stuck it through” anything. Liljegren has been developing excellently. Any “doubt” was unwarranted. Dude has been playing massive minutes in the AHL since he was a teenager.

Media members like Mirtle, Siegel, Hayes, O-dog, Wheeler who decided to shit on Liljegren every chance they could for some reason, to shift the narrative on him, are made to look even more silly right now. They always looked silly IMO.

when we look at Liljegren’s development, there was never any reason to doubt the player.

Unfortunately some people don’t even watch Marlies games and like to pass off their opinion as fact.

One of the most important things to remember about the media is that most of them barely watch the games.

 

[justloveleafs]

solid advice.

Pretty rare he is wrong....Doesn't serial post, its just salient, solid stuff, as always and ever since I came across him..

Has attendance gone up with the addition of Josh Ho Sang...

I can tell you this, imo, I believe the Marlies would draw big, big numbers in Kitchener, and its close.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Liljegren can actually play defense so that's nice.

 

[hockeynorth]

wait until he gets physical too

 

[mydnyte]

(this isn’t aimed directly at you)

We didn’t “stuck it through” anything. Liljegren has been developing excellently. Any “doubt” was unwarranted. Dude has been playing massive minutes in the AHL since he was a teenager.

Media members like Mirtle, Siegel, Hayes, O-dog, Wheeler who decided to shit on Liljegren every chance they could for some reason, to shift the narrative on him, are made to look even more silly right now. They always looked silly IMO.

when we look at Liljegren’s development, there was never any reason to doubt the player.

Unfortunately some people don’t even watch Marlies games and like to pass off their opinion as fact.

a reason people have crapped on Lil is because 2 years pre-draft he was considered the #2 overall pick, then dropped

 

[TMLAM34]

a reason people have crapped on Lil is because 2 years pre-draft he was considered the #2 overall pick, then dropped

He definitely hasn’t lived up to his pre draft hype that’s for sure but he’s also had to deal with a decent amount of injuries and illnesses since his draft year.

He’s played very good this year and should be a lock in the lineup moving forward IMO.

He reminds me of Carl Gunnarsson in a way. A very stead NHL dman who can slot in on any pairing.