The Penguins were also much more efficient at selling off their future and winning Cups.
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The Penguins were also much more efficient at selling off their future and winning Cups.
BallardEra
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The three cups certainly didn't feel like an act.
I love that this topic is full of other fanbases trying to dunk on the Pens.
Three cups. Hate away.
CaptainShark
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Definitely better to have three cups than to having gotten yourself into a very similar situation having ZERO cups
RabbleMasterBlaster
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Honestly, I don't get it either. The point of the game is to win the cup right? You can't win the cup forever and winning 3 cups in your lifetime is preeetty preetty good. Ya, your team will eventually suck again, but who cares? It's cyclical.
I do think that the Pens could consider sending Crosby & Malkin somewhere else to get more chances at other cups, and in the process speed up their rebuilds.
Donnie740
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It’s justifiable to trade away high draft picks and prospects when you have a legitimate chance at winning a Cup.
But when you have an old and flawed team that will be doing well to just squeak into the playoffs, the last thing you should be doing is trading away high draft picks and prospects for a 33yr old defenceman who’s not very good defensively and has four years left on an $11.5M boat anchor.
Horribly misguided trade.
But when you have an old and flawed team that will be doing well to just squeak into the playoffs, the last thing you should be doing is trading away high draft picks and prospects for a 33yr old defenceman who’s not very good defensively and has four years left on an $11.5M boat anchor.
Horribly misguided trade.
It was basically a first-round pick and cap dumps for the reigning Norris winner. Karlsson hasn't played up to his top form this season, but he's still on pace for 62 points.
Agent Zuuuub
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relax lol 1 mid range 1st round pick won't make or break any rebuild.
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BallardEra
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Malkin has 0 goals in his last 10 and 1 in his last 16.
Sid can't do all of the heavy lifting with Guentzel out and Rust getting injured last night. (Not sure on his status)
Pens need Malkin to pick it up if they have any chance at making the playoffs.
Sid can't do all of the heavy lifting with Guentzel out and Rust getting injured last night. (Not sure on his status)
Pens need Malkin to pick it up if they have any chance at making the playoffs.
Agree.
Is it annoying and disappointing that we're now not that good? Yes
Would I like us to still be competing? Of course
Would I change any of what we did? Absolutely not. 3 Cups, 2 back-to-back in the late 20's. They still live in the memory of what our core did.
TheGoldenJet
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To be fair to Malkin, Crosby has gotten all the good wingers this season, leaving Malkin to work with the likes of Zohorna, Puustinen, and *checks notes* Drew O’Connor.
Guentzel was with Sid and the moment he was injured, Sid got both Rust and Rakell. Now Rust is hurt, Sid will get his pick of what’s left and Malkin (once again) has to make do with borderline AHL type guys.
Is that supposed to be some kind of reward?
Sounds more like getting a bleeding hemorrhoid and an abscess tooth at the same time.
Sid still being a capable center turned that chicken sh*t into salad right away.
Outside of Guentzel being a staple on Crosby's wing, there were plenty of ~5M wingers to go around for both lines, Malkin has just not jelled with any.
Puustinen was supposed to be the B12 shot in the arm, but he just exposes how done Malkin is as a 2nd line center this year.
He has 9 assists in those 16 games.
Zohorna? Malkin has gotten scraps lately, but he did get Smith and Rakell a lot early. The good news is that they’ve discovered an NHLer in Puustinen.
Empoleon8771
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Malkin is just not as good as he once was. Penguins fans, at least on here, are major apologists towards him where they'll blame any shortcoming of his on everyone else.
He's still a good player, but he's much more of a 65 point 2C than what he was in the past. That caliber of player sometimes goes through rough patches with 1 goal and 10 points in 16 games.
TheGoldenJet
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I am not sure how many top 6 NHL centers would consider Puustinen and his 6 goals per 82GP pace a B12 shot for their line, tbh.
Say what you will about Rust, but he is pacing for 35 goals in a full year atm, really sucks for the Pens playoff chances that he got injured.
SeanMoneyHands
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Maybe give Sid the Ray bourque treatment (even though Sid has cups)? I just can’t see Crosby retiring without one last shot at another cup. The guy is too much of a competitor. Would be incredible to see him on the Avs playing with his best bud MacKinnon.
BallardEra
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If they win 2 out of 3 at the 60gp mark they could be sitting at 4'th in the metro. A lot of hockey left to be played.
Le Magnifique 66
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No chance, even if we win both games, that mentality needs to change ASAP. That's the only way we can speed things up and bring in young players that can benefit and be guided by playing with Sid, Geno, Letang, EK for another year or 2..
I'm pretty sure EK is on the verge of taking it upon himself to drag the Penguins to playoffs. Just set him free and let's see what happens.
Beukeboom Fan
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Going to play Devil's advocate here, as my favorite team (Hawks) did the same thing to a lesser extent with Seth Jones. And both organizations have had those deals (and subsequent contracts in SJ's case) - not going the way they would have liked.
You have an organization that has had unreal bounty of success over the last 10-15 years winning 3 Cups. Some of the real "core" of those teams is still around and really darn good, but now in their mid-30's aren't as dominant as they were in their prime. The organization looks at it, and understands how RARE it is to be in this position, and even if it is a long shot, they want to see if there is one more run potentially. They know that the run is unlikely - but when is going to be the next time that you have multiple future HOF'ers still playing at a high level? (Less so for the Hawks here). At that point - they make a "dangerous" trade to bring in a missing piece of what they think is a legit #1 d-man. I think that if Dubas answered truthfully he would have said the Karlsson deal works maybe 25% of the time - but that deal was the best chance for the Pens who hadn't won a play-off series in 5 years.
I look at this similarly to what Treliving has done with the "Core 4" in TOR. He knows how rare it is to have a top 3 players group as good as AM/MM/WN, so he's paying them whatever it takes to lock them up, and then trying to figure out how to build the rest of the team around that. It's probably not the way he'd prefer to go, but those are the cards he's dealt and you have to try to win with what you've got - not what you wish you had.
They should have done that from the start. At least the team would maybe be exciting to watch while losing.
Heat death of the Universe.
