This Pittsburgh Penguins Act is Getting Old

Luigi Lemieux

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They're good defensively but just too old to be offensively dangerous, other than Crosby. Especially apparent on the pp. Watching this gradual decline is tough.
 

Beukeboom Fan

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Middle of the pack teams are contending for a playoff spot. The Penguins aren't.
IMO - the current core keeps the Pens in the 10-15 draft spot in the league, which is technically the "middle" third of the league. Typically, teams can languish in the "mushy" middle for a long time. Pens haven't won a play-off series since 2018, so if this goes for 2-3 more years that would essentially be a decade of being a 1st round speedbump or not making the P/O's. It's a tough spot to be in in a great core's life-cycle.
 

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Their rebuild phase should be now while they still have decent years left on the core group. But there still competing for a playoff spot. Sane for Washington.
Hard to properly rebuild with the elite (although older) core. Club will likely be drafting 10-15 while those guys are still around. IMO the Pens are stuck in a holding pattern until Crosby is done.
 

Sidgeni Malkby

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Pens top players are still good and they're one of the leagues best 5on5 teams. It makes no sense to blow it up this season, let alone last season. The teams issue is obvious and his last name starts with R
Rullivan? :)

Last year they barely missed the playoffs. It's easy to see why Dubas would think a few tweaks could make them better.
 

AvroArrow

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The natural cycle of sports, nothing to be sad about for Pens fans. 3 cups in the Crosby era, every other fan base would kill for that. But it's time to move on from these guys and rebuild, it's a waste of their last few good years and it's just poor asset management. Crosby can still fetch an absolute haul, would be a monumental mistake to not move him at this point. Dubas should talk to him and see if he's willing to waive, which I think he would be. He could still make a couple deep playoff runs on another team.
 
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mr figgles

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The natural cycle of sports, nothing to be sad about for Pens fans. 3 cups in the Crosby era, every other fan base would kill for that. But it's time to move on from these guys and rebuild, it's a waste of their last few good years and it's just poor asset management. Crosby can still fetch an absolute haul, would be a monumental mistake to not move him at this point. Dubas should talk to him and see if he's willing to waive, which I think he would be. He could still make a couple deep playoff runs on another team.

They better hope he is willing to waive, because the rest of that roster is immovable. He’s their only chance to net some decent assets to start a rebuild.
 

Calderon

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Was Pulju taken out of the lineup in favor of Puustinen or why isn't he playing tonight?
 
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jcs0218

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Dubas isn't in any hurry to fire Sullivan.

If he fires Sullivan, brings in his own coach, and the team still sucks, then Dubas will start being under the microscope.

Why would he want to be under any microscopes when the fan-base will continue to blame Sullivan (and overlook Dubas) when Pittsburgh performs poorly?

Pittsburgh's roster isn't very good.

It is better for Dubas's own survival to allow people to continue to make Sullivan the scape-goat rather than have any attention shifted to the poor roster (which is Dubas job to fix).
 

SomeDude

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Dubas isn't in any hurry to fire Sullivan.

If he fires Sullivan, brings in his own coach, and the team still sucks, then Dubas will start being under the microscope.

Why would he want to be under any microscopes when the fan-base will continue to blame Sullivan (and overlook Dubas) when Pittsburgh performs poorly?
He also completely thinks Mike Sullivan is a great coach because he says things like expected goals per game a lot.
 

jcs0218

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He also completely thinks Mike Sullivan is a great coach because he says things like expected goals per game a lot.
I remember when everyone thought of Dubas as a genius because of hockey fans collective fetish when it comes to advanced statistics (and overlooking the eye-test).

Well, Dubas's advanced statistics won a total of 1 playoff series in 7 seasons.
 

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I remember when everyone thought of Dubas as a genius because of hockey fans collective fetish when it comes to advanced statistics (and overlooking the eye-test).

Well, Dubas's advanced statistics won a total of 1 playoff series in 7 seasons.
there were also tons of us that laughed at Shanahan for replacing Lou with Dubas and thinking he was Brad Pitt from "Money Ball"
 

SomeDude

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I remember when everyone thought of Dubas as a genius because of hockey fans collective fetish when it comes to advanced statistics (and overlooking the eye-test).

Well, Dubas's advanced statistics won a total of 1 playoff series in 7 seasons.
It's a great feeling having your team's future in the palms of the guy who signed Ryan Graves for the better part of a decade.
 
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