Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[tnfrs]

What’s everyone’s projections/hopes for Foerster? 7 pts in 8 NHL games is great but he might have been running on adrenaline. 0.75 ppg in the AHL is really solid too. I’m hoping he can turn into a great middle 6’er.

T-Force has been in Vorhees all summer training with the new staff, training with Farabee and York which is dope when you hear that, so hes determined to be ready. Its gonna be a good early test for the new development team. Its hard to say until camp but if he looks as good as he did in his games last year i wouldnt be surprised if hes a 15+15 guy depending on his linemates. Hes a shooter and if Torts uses his one-t on the power play he could be a 20 goal guy. As good as Tippett and TK's shots are all 3 have a great wrister, but neither of them have a one timer like Foerster

 

[deadhead]

T-Force has been in Vorhees all summer training with the new staff, training with Farabee and York which is dope when you hear that, so hes determined to be ready. Its gonna be a good early test for the new development team. Its hard to say until camp but if he looks as good as he did in his games last year i wouldnt be surprised if hes a 15+15 guy depending on his linemates. Hes a shooter and if Torts uses his one-t on the power play he could be a 20 goal guy. As good as Tippett and TK's shots are all 3 have a great wrister, but neither of them have a one timer like Foerster

Farabee working out all summer bodes well, he was on the cusp of stardom before he hurt his neck, last season the inability to work out showed up on the ice - these guys depend on strength and stamina built up over the summer to carry them through 82 games (some lose 10-15 lbs over the course of a season).

Foerster looked really solid in his cameo, he can shoot but he also has good vision.
He'll probably be on the third line with Cates and ??? That might hold him back a little, but with his skill set, he's not as center dependent as some wingers.
He played primarily with Frost and Hayes, a little with Cates last season.

Farabee - Couts - TK
Tippett - Frost - Atkinson
??? - Cates - Foerster
[Brink, Allison, Lycksell, Desnoyers]
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Bottom-6 grinder once Tortorella gets a hold of him

prolly replaced with a 36 yr old retiring vet

 

[tnfrs]

Farabee working out all summer bodes well, he was on the cusp of stardom before he hurt his neck, last season the inability to work out showed up on the ice - these guys depend on strength and stamina built up over the summer to carry them through 82 games (some lose 10-15 lbs over the course of a season).

Foerster looked really solid in his cameo, he can shoot but he also has good vision.
He'll probably be on the third line with Cates and ??? That might hold him back a little, but with his skill set, he's not as center dependent as some wingers.
He played primarily with Frost and Hayes, a little with Cates last season.

Farabee - Couts - TK
Tippett - Frost - Atkinson
??? - Cates - Foerster
[Brink, Allison, Lycksell, Desnoyers]
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway

Farabee working out all summer bodes well, he was on the cusp of stardom before he hurt his neck, last season the inability to work out showed up on the ice - these guys depend on strength and stamina built up over the summer to carry them through 82 games (some lose 10-15 lbs over the course of a season).

Foerster looked really solid in his cameo, he can shoot but he also has good vision.
He'll probably be on the third line with Cates and ??? That might hold him back a little, but with his skill set, he's not as center dependent as some wingers.
He played primarily with Frost and Hayes, a little with Cates last season.

Farabee - Couts - TK
Tippett - Frost - Atkinson
??? - Cates - Foerster
[Brink, Allison, Lycksell, Desnoyers]
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway

ya desnoyers is another guy whos been in vorhees all summer im not sure about brink though, i dont think torts likes allison or tanner lacynzki very much so if foerster and desnoyers are able to have a really good training camp and pre season someone might get waived and sent down, maybe even poehling gets sent down. Im hoping they start atkinson on the 3rd and have Foerster with Tippet and Frost but he'd have to really impress Torts. If Desnoyers or Brink make the team too it will be good to spread them out

 

[Deadpool8812]

prolly replaced with a 36 yr old retiring vet

Has Nate Thompson retired?

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Has Nate Thompson retired?

He has actually. From all the congratulatory tweets from the hockey world you would think dudes gonna be a future hofer

 

[deadhead]

ya desnoyers is another guy whos been in vorhees all summer im not sure about brink though, i dont think torts likes allison or tanner lacynzki very much so if foerster and desnoyers are able to have a really good training camp and pre season someone might get waived and sent down, maybe even poehling gets sent down. Im hoping they start atkinson on the 3rd and have Foerster with Tippet and Frost but he'd have to really impress Torts. If Desnoyers or Brink make the team too it will be good to spread them out

It's not Torts liking or disliking players, it's that he pushes players and refuses to allow them to become complacent. How a player reacts to that pushing determines whether Torts sees him as a Flyer going forward - people think he doesn't like Frost, for example, I suspect the opposite - Frost responded last season by improving his defense, then becoming their top offensive player when given a chance to play regular minutes.

He had two problems with Allison, one was that Allison simply tried to do too much on offense, he's a below average passer who made too many horizontal passes that lead to turnovers, Torts pushed him to play a north south game and be a mucker. The second problem is that Allison was making progress and got dinged again - and a HC struggles to have confidence (give a player a big role) if he's constantly injured. In Allison's case, one reason for the dings is his tendency to play out of control and hurt himself, going for big hits along the boards, etc.

Laczynski just couldn't stay healthy last year and even when he played, you could see that his skating was well south of 100% - he just didn't look like a NHL player. Hopefully he can put his injury woes behind him this season and look like the player from a couple seasons ago.

Desnoyers is the kind of player Torts loves, bottom six grinder who worked his way into a top six role in the CHL, then did the same in LHV. Fundamentally sound with more offensive chops than expected, he needs to add strength b/c he doesn't shy from contact and dirty areas but isn't the biggest player out there (listed at 5'11 181 at TC last fall).

 

[tnfrs]

It's not Torts liking or disliking players, it's that he pushes players and refuses to allow them to become complacent. How a player reacts to that pushing determines whether Torts sees him as a Flyer going forward - people think he doesn't like Frost, for example, I suspect the opposite - Frost responded last season by improving his defense, then becoming their top offensive player when given a chance to play regular minutes.

He had two problems with Allison, one was that Allison simply tried to do too much on offense, he's a below average passer who made too many horizontal passes that lead to turnovers, Torts pushed him to play a north south game and be a mucker. The second problem is that Allison was making progress and got dinged again - and a HC struggles to have confidence (give a player a big role) if he's constantly injured. In Allison's case, one reason for the dings is his tendency to play out of control and hurt himself, going for big hits along the boards, etc.

Laczynski just couldn't stay healthy last year and even when he played, you could see that his skating was well south of 100% - he just didn't look like a NHL player. Hopefully he can put his injury woes behind him this season and look like the player from a couple seasons ago.

Desnoyers is the kind of player Torts loves, bottom six grinder who worked his way into a top six role in the CHL, then did the same in LHV. Fundamentally sound with more offensive chops than expected, he needs to add strength b/c he doesn't shy from contact and dirty areas but isn't the biggest player out there (listed at 5'11 181 at TC last fall).

torts will scratch allison or laczynski as soon as someones is ready ill be surprised if one or both isnt sent down at the start of the season, neither of them have a future in philly imo and the injuries only make it an easier decision

 

[TheKingPin]

Farabee working out all summer bodes well, he was on the cusp of stardom before he hurt his neck, last season the inability to work out showed up on the ice - these guys depend on strength and stamina built up over the summer to carry them through 82 games (some lose 10-15 lbs over the course of a season).

Foerster looked really solid in his cameo, he can shoot but he also has good vision.
He'll probably be on the third line with Cates and ??? That might hold him back a little, but with his skill set, he's not as center dependent as some wingers.
He played primarily with Frost and Hayes, a little with Cates last season.

Farabee - Couts - TK
Tippett - Frost - Atkinson
??? - Cates - Foerster
[Brink, Allison, Lycksell, Desnoyers]
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway

This lineup worries me. If Couts is back to normal like I think he will be - that could be one of the better top lines in the league. Thankfully the D is atrocious, but Hart also needs to go.

 

[gertbfrobe16]

Couts will be traded to Boston.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's not Torts liking or disliking players, it's that he pushes players and refuses to allow them to become complacent. How a player reacts to that pushing determines whether Torts sees him as a Flyer going forward - people think he doesn't like Frost, for example, I suspect the opposite - Frost responded last season by improving his defense, then becoming their top offensive player when given a chance to play regular minutes.

He had two problems with Allison, one was that Allison simply tried to do too much on offense, he's a below average passer who made too many horizontal passes that lead to turnovers, Torts pushed him to play a north south game and be a mucker. The second problem is that Allison was making progress and got dinged again - and a HC struggles to have confidence (give a player a big role) if he's constantly injured. In Allison's case, one reason for the dings is his tendency to play out of control and hurt himself, going for big hits along the boards, etc.

Laczynski just couldn't stay healthy last year and even when he played, you could see that his skating was well south of 100% - he just didn't look like a NHL player. Hopefully he can put his injury woes behind him this season and look like the player from a couple seasons ago.

Desnoyers is the kind of player Torts loves, bottom six grinder who worked his way into a top six role in the CHL, then did the same in LHV. Fundamentally sound with more offensive chops than expected, he needs to add strength b/c he doesn't shy from contact and dirty areas but isn't the biggest player out there (listed at 5'11 181 at TC last fall).

No he definitely doesn't like players

 

[Curufinwe]

ya desnoyers is another guy whos been in vorhees all summer im not sure about brink though, i dont think torts likes allison or tanner lacynzki very much so if foerster and desnoyers are able to have a really good training camp and pre season someone might get waived and sent down, maybe even poehling gets sent down. Im hoping they start atkinson on the 3rd and have Foerster with Tippet and Frost but he'd have to really impress Torts. If Desnoyers or Brink make the team too it will be good to spread them out

Don't do this to yourself.

This is the team that sent down York to start last season.

 

[tnfrs]

Don't do this to yourself.

This is the team that sent down York to start last season.

i disagree, but its the 4th line so if Poehling plays out his contract its not a big deal. Some of these guys are just here so guys have to compete for roster spots, and Poehling is about as low hanging fruit as it gets

 

[VladDrag]

What’s everyone’s projections/hopes for Foerster? 7 pts in 8 NHL games is great but he might have been running on adrenaline. 0.75 ppg in the AHL is really solid too. I’m hoping he can turn into a great middle 6’er.

@FLYguy3911 holds Foerster in the very high regard. IIRC, prior to this year's draft, he believes Foerster has some of the best offensive potential in the Flyers prospect ranks (correct me if I'm wrong).

My personal opinion on Foerster is there is a very good top 6 player in there somewhere. That's probably his upper 10-15 percentile outcome, but it's still a possibility. He has a great mind in the offensive zone, can both pass and shoot. The skating is below average, but it may end up not being as much of a problem depending on how fast he can process.

I think middle-6 is the 'expectation' in that if he becomes an NHL player, you would expect him to be on PP1, and a secondary ES scoring type player. That player has value for sure. I think there might be another level for him to access.

In short, I like him as a player and have a small hope they he becomes a top 6 guy.

Farabee working out all summer bodes well, he was on the cusp of stardom before he hurt his neck, last season the inability to work out showed up on the ice - these guys depend on strength and stamina built up over the summer to carry them through 82 games (some lose 10-15 lbs over the course of a season).

Foerster looked really solid in his cameo, he can shoot but he also has good vision.
He'll probably be on the third line with Cates and ??? That might hold him back a little, but with his skill set, he's not as center dependent as some wingers.
He played primarily with Frost and Hayes, a little with Cates last season.

Farabee - Couts - TK
Tippett - Frost - Atkinson
??? - Cates - Foerster
[Brink, Allison, Lycksell, Desnoyers]
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway

??? = Laughton

 

[Curufinwe]

i disagree, but its the 4th line so if Poehling plays out his contract its not a big deal. Some of these guys are just here so guys have to compete for roster spots, and Poehling is about as low hanging fruit as it gets

Torts played Deslauriers 80 games, and I think he was hurt for the other two.

 

[tnfrs]

Torts played Deslauriers 80 games, and I think he was hurt for the other two.

like i said, its the 4th line im not really worried. we were going to be shit no matter who was on the 4th line, we're gonna be shit this year too no matter who is on the 4th line whether its Deslauriers or Brink or Poehling or Desnoyers

 

[deadhead]

@FLYguy3911 holds Foerster in the very high regard. IIRC, prior to this year's draft, he believes Foerster has some of the best offensive potential in the Flyers prospect ranks (correct me if I'm wrong).

My personal opinion on Foerster is there is a very good top 6 player in there somewhere. That's probably his upper 10-15 percentile outcome, but it's still a possibility. He has a great mind in the offensive zone, can both pass and shoot. The skating is below average, but it may end up not being as much of a problem depending on how fast he can process.

I think middle-6 is the 'expectation' in that if he becomes an NHL player, you would expect him to be on PP1, and a secondary ES scoring type player. That player has value for sure. I think there might be another level for him to access.

In short, I like him as a player and have a small hope they he becomes a top 6 guy.


??? = Laughton

Problem is Laughton at LW is primarily a shooter, Cates is still learning the ropes at center, Foerster would be the best playmaker on that line, but if it's primarily an energy line, it could generate scoring chances by forcing turnovers.

 

[Curufinwe]

Lead pipe lock that Hathaway is more of a 3rd liner than a 4th liner with Torts in charge.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Lead pipe lock that Hathaway is more of a 3rd liner than a 4th liner with Torts in charge.

Wouldn't this be good for the tank? There's a lot of desire to play the young kids, which I get and I am not opposed to, but if the plan is to tank wouldn't playing guys like Hathaway and Poehling and Deslauriers etc. be better for that? If we're all worries that Torts is going to ruin our young players and play bad players over good players, wouldn't we want the young players to play in the AHL, juniors, Europe, wherever and let him ice a worse team of old vets in a bad system?

 

[tnfrs]

Problem is Laughton at LW is primarily a shooter, Cates is still learning the ropes at center, Foerster would be the best playmaker on that line, but if it's primarily an energy line, it could generate scoring chances by forcing turnovers.

Laughton - Couturier - TK could be a possible 1st line and would let farabee stay on the 2nd line with frost and tippett, then atkinson on the 3rd line with foerster and cates gives it someone who can handle the puck and cam is a better distributor than either. its not the ideal 1st line but Laughton's played up the lineup before and he'll have familiarity with Coots, they could also move Cates back to LW since Couturier and Cates might be a good shutdown line

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Lead pipe lock that Hathaway is more of a 3rd liner than a 4th liner with Torts in charge.

Hasn’t he played more than 4th line minutes in his other NHL stops? This isn’t like forcing Nic into minutes he doesn’t deserve. Hathaway has shown he can play more than just 6 minutes a night. He is also a better hockey player than Nic

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Farabee working out all summer bodes well, he was on the cusp of stardom before he hurt his neck, last season the inability to work out showed up on the ice - these guys depend on strength and stamina built up over the summer to carry them through 82 games (some lose 10-15 lbs over the course of a season).

Foerster looked really solid in his cameo, he can shoot but he also has good vision.
He'll probably be on the third line with Cates and ??? That might hold him back a little, but with his skill set, he's not as center dependent as some wingers.
He played primarily with Frost and Hayes, a little with Cates last season.

Farabee - Couts - TK
Tippett - Frost - Atkinson
??? - Cates - Foerster
[Brink, Allison, Lycksell, Desnoyers]
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway

what?

Those players have zero shot. GH will imo not be on the 4th line. Not to start anyway. Allison also aint no lock. Wont be shocked to see a vet on a PTO

 

[Curufinwe]

He's much better than Face Puncher McGee, so when I see lineups that assume he'll be on the 4th line only, I chuckle.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

like i said, its the 4th line im not really worried. we were going to be shit no matter who was on the 4th line, we're gonna be shit this year too no matter who is on the 4th line whether its Deslauriers or Brink or Poehling or Desnoyers

such horrible logic to apply.

 

[deadhead]

what?

Those players have zero shot. GH will imo not be on the 4th line. Not to start anyway. Allison also aint no lock. Wont be shocked to see a vet on a PTO

From age 19-21 Farabee was 42nd in the NHL in pp/60. That's first line scoring.
I would call that on the "cusp of stardom." I give him a mulligan for last season.
I think he'll be on the first line with Couts and TK and that will be a top ten line if Couts is close to 100%.
Tippett - Frost - Atkinson as a 2nd line would be one of the fastest in the NHL.
Laughton - Cates - Foerster would be your energy line.
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway would be an above average 4th line.