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Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions
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It's possible to be really bad and still play the youth. The 06-07 Flyers did it. They need to find that balance.
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One of the best things this team can do is actually give playing time to younger players. I'd love to see something like:
Farabee-Couts-Tippett
Cates-Frost-Foerster
Brink-Poehling-Atkinson
Lycksell-Laczynski-Allison
In this example, they've traded Laughton and didn't sign Hathaway. You could have ND as your 13th, or signed another forward depth player as your 13th. You figure out which players can be helpful and you jettison the ones that can't help.
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His spot isn't available. Every year we have terrible players who are inferior to prospects, and yet they stay on the roster all year or nearly so.
It has been ages since it can be argued the Flyers have iced the best possible roster they can assemble based on the assets available to them. I couldn't tell you for sure when that last happened. Maybe 2010 or 2011.
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you said doesn't matter who is on the 4th line. The flyers choose to put out slop that will not contribute to this team now or in the future. Why not go with a younger line that has a tad more skill then what they will role out? get some nhl experience.
Joel was not on the cusp of any nhl super stardum. Not at all. In any way. Top 10 line. I will take that bet.
Their lineup is towards the bottom of the league. No matter how many times you try to justify it.
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if ever there was a season to play nothing but youth in every position you have a player seeking playtime this was the year..
so of course this Org runs out and signs/trades for a bunch of retirement level old dogs..
#sameasiteverwas
so of course this Org runs out and signs/trades for a bunch of retirement level old dogs..
#sameasiteverwas
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It could have been worse. The fact the org didn’t sign a 30 year old 50 pt 2nd/3rd line tweener to a 6 year deal worth 30 mil shows some awareness. Baby steps
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Tort's job last year wasnt to lose games, putting the kids in last year wouldnt have helped reach the goal, it was a stupid goal to try to compete but its the roster that Fletcher put together, but even if youre trying to lose you dont throw developing players to the wolves. We still have players worth keeping or trading and until the roster is narrowed down more you have give everyone the best environment to succeed, even if its at the expense of draft position. Theres 32 teams in the league, nobody is running rookies and prospects on the 4th line on a nightly basis, because they dont just play against other teams 4th lines and opposing coaches will do everything they can to get their studs out against our rookies, and whole lines of first year players and prospects will get eaten alive if theyre caught on an icing for example, you just dont do that unless players are ready.
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like they do with Nic D Zac mac and like? provide an opportunity to see if they are ready.
no $$ to do that
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thats what preseason and call ups are for to gauge where they are developmentally. players dont really make gains during the season, its hard enough just getting enough calories in every day and after games for athletes to recover, its not when theyre building strength and speed. that happens in the off season. So if Bobby brink isnt fast enough to play regular minutes in the preseason, hes unlikely to find that speed as the season goes on and gets harder. His conditioning will get better, and he can skate slowly for longer periods, but hes not going to get faster or stronger. so you sign a few guys who can be sent down or waived in the off season to hedge your bets. If Brink is ready great, if its someone else, great. You can let someone walk. When youre a losing team, and you hate losing as much as guys like Konecny do, you need someone to fight when it goes down, as it inevitably will, Im not defending having guys like Deslauriers but having a whole bunch of rookies just invites teams to bully us and we dont have a Wayne Simmonds right now who can score goals and fight, so no I dont care who is on the 4th line, as long as its not 3 guys with futures
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brink will not get a legit chance imo. He will be an early cut. As will the desynoyers.
How do you know TK hates losing? He has accepted losing imo. Hates it so much he hasnt asked for a trade. Shit he will sign a fn ext.
There are 18 players on the ice. Maybe they need to stop being like Johnny Fontaine and be a man. fight their own battle Step up. If not then you deserved to get "bullied".
Makes no sense to me but that is your take.
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remember when Marcus Foligno broke McEwen's jaw last year? Which one of our prospects do you think was ready to take that punch?
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It's possible for sure and I am not against it. It just seems the concern is that Torts will not handle the youth correctly, which would make me think the youth playing in the AHL/NCAA/Juniors/Euro would be better both for the tank and for the players themselves. I'll be thrilled to see this team play Hathaway more minutes than he should over whatever prospect should be there if it means A) a worse team and B) the prospect isn't tanked by Torts.
I personally don't think that's an issue and I am fine either way as the next 3-4 (or more) seasons are just about finishing as low in the standings as possible. I really don't care how our prospects progress over the next few years in the NHL or otherwise, as I think it will be roughly the same regardless. If Garnett Hathaway playing over his head instead of Bobby Brink (or whomever) getting a roster means the team finishes closer to the bottom, I really don't care if that means a prospect has to wait a year to play regular NHL minutes. Let him play top line minutes in the AHL all year. His development will be about the same and the team will be worse. And at some point injuries will happen and guys will get called up for games here or there.
Just lose. That's what the next few years are about.
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Torts plays young players, did so in CBJ and has done so here.
What he won't do is play young players who aren't NHL ready, it's not a developmental league, with the pace of the schedule and travel, there are few practice days to work on fundamentals with young players. And a lot of practice is focused more on team than individual players.
The AHL is far better suited for developing players, most games are compressed to weekends (with maybe one mid-week game, but not every week) so teams tend to be on their home ice for stretches each week where coaches and work with players in practice. Someone like Brink is better off playing 17-20 minutes a night in LHV, with practice for 3-4 days a week, than sporadic play at the NHL level in limited roles.
What he won't do is play young players who aren't NHL ready, it's not a developmental league, with the pace of the schedule and travel, there are few practice days to work on fundamentals with young players. And a lot of practice is focused more on team than individual players.
The AHL is far better suited for developing players, most games are compressed to weekends (with maybe one mid-week game, but not every week) so teams tend to be on their home ice for stretches each week where coaches and work with players in practice. Someone like Brink is better off playing 17-20 minutes a night in LHV, with practice for 3-4 days a week, than sporadic play at the NHL level in limited roles.
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So when he played Zamula in October and November he was ready, but then from December to late March he wasn't ready.
Makes sense.
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Torts isnt the first coach to send someone down after a handful of games, two way contracts exist for this exact reason. Are you questioning Torts or how professional hockey works?So when he played Zamula in October and November he was ready, but then from December to late March he wasn't ready.
Makes sense.
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So when he played Zamula in October and November he was ready, but then from December to late March he wasn't ready.
Makes sense.
Tortorella really likes Zamula, as indicated by keeping him benched instead of using him.
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I'm laughing at catching deadhead in another obvious lie. Either Torts played Zamula when he wasn't ready in the first two months, or Torts didn't want to play a young player like Zamula ahead of vets like Braun and Seeler for most of the season. It can't be both.
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