Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[bauer]

I’m very curious to see what’s gonna happen with Atkinson. I haven’t been keeping up on his health, but let’s assume he’s healthy this season and puts up 50+ points. Do they trade him at the deadline or keep him because he’s one of Tort’s favs? He absolutely should be traded if it’s an actual rebuild.

It most certainly appears like more vets are being deliberately kept rather than traded. Whether it’s for “culture” reasons or to keep Tort’s happy doesn’t change the fact that it’s bloody stupid and the complete opposite of what they should be doing.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

No one was trading during the draft, this wasn't a Briere thing, I mean the only 1st rd picks that moved was the Newhook trade.
I don't think GMs will be as stingy with the 2024 1st rd picks, and they also know they can't pressure Briere into a lowball deal.

There are very few decent FAs, so it's possible the trade market heats up once they're off the board - and many teams looking to add depth want cap help, which Briere has to offer ($12M plus TDA's $2.5M plus Ellis' $6M LTIR).

Hello Kevin Hayes.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

No one was trading during the draft, this wasn't a Briere thing, I mean the only 1st rd picks that moved was the Newhook trade.
I don't think GMs will be as stingy with the 2024 1st rd picks, and they also know they can't pressure Briere into a lowball deal.

In order for this to be meaningful, you would have to convince me STL pulled their offer off the table because the draft started. You cannot do that without an impeccable source.

 

[Magua]

Unless something new came up, the trade for laughton that was reportedly turned down was pre-draft, so there really couldn't have been a particular player to eye at 25 vs. 29 (and your point stands, of course).

The Blues drafted like a team that didn’t plan to draft. That’s my read with how 25/29 went. Low ceiling picks, not guys you are sweating about not getting. They’re in a position to add pieces now, so I can’t imagine that Laughton deal falls through because of the Blues. But who knows?

I forgot Musty was there at 25 too.

 

[deadhead]

Your default position here seems to be assuming that other teams are incompetent. That’s usually my schtick, albeit from a different angle.

Who’s to say that the 25/29 + 2nd offer wasn’t made because the pick was already known? Frankly, not making that deal because it was 29 instead of 25 is insane. I don’t know what was offered, but unless it was because one specific player came off the board between 25 and 28, it’s indefensible. All risk.

Nah. We just don't know what was actually offered and when.
But Laughton hasn't lost any value between the draft and now.

Every team has their 2024 1st rd picks as of this time
Carolina, St Louis have (2) 2nds.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Laughton and Konecny both have multiple years left. Usually it’s when it’s down to 1. Their money will also count less on a rising cap. If you are Briere, you have no reason to think the offers go down. Everyone knows they’re good players.

I’m not agreeing to any framing where those two are treated as equivalents.

Scott Laughton is a fine player whose apparent trade value comes down to contract and intangibles. Travis Konecny is an excellent NHL player.

If you feel a similar amount of pressure to get a deal done for those two, we will never find common ground here.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Briere can’t be responsible for Chuck’s awful trades. That was also a weaker draft and a large amount of Covid unknowns, unfortunately they picked the wrong player. That trade also basically won Kevyn Adams the job there because he extracted max value on a player he knew he had to move, with one year left on the deal as opposed to more.
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He's responsible for fixing the mess we are in - that's the job, and he accepted the job.

Why are you working so hard to make excuses for everything? You sound like deadhead, and you don't have to do that. Most of us on here have tried to acknowledge that taking Ollie Bonk, while the result of a VERY flawed process, isn't the end of the world. But it's damned important to acknowledge that the process is deeply, deeply flawed. Jorts is also deeply flawed, Lard Ass is deeply flawed, Lappy is dented and deeply flawed - these things are not Danny's fault, but he has to fix them. If he doesn't acknowledge the problem, he can't ever hope to fix it. That's what we are talking about.

 

[deadhead]

The Blues drafted like a team that didn’t plan to draft. That’s my read with how 25/29 went. Low ceiling picks, not guys you are sweating about.

I forgot Musty was there at 25 too.

Yet they couldn't complete a deal with anyone, maybe they're the ones who were the problem.

 

[The Rage Kage]

Right now they have a real chance to start building a contender. Michkov was handed to them on a silver platter, with the added benefit of not harming the draft position for 3 years. Anyone who wont be a real contributor when Michkov is 24+ needs to go. Couturier can stay to mentor all the kids if he wants to.

It will never happen obviously, but it's fun to imagine.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I'll be pissed if the season starts and TK, Sanheim, Hart, and Laughton are still here, especially with Couts and Atkinson coming back. They'll probably be picking 5-10 again.

The optimist in me says there aren't many teams worse than the Flyers. CBJ will be much better. MTL should be better too. Chicago looks terrible but who knows with Bedard. If Anaheim is still in the basement they have to be concerned that their rebuild isn't working. SJS should be terrible. Arizona should be terrible but who knows. Flyers are probably the 3rd to 5th worst team in the league even if the big guns stay

 

[deadhead]

I’m very curious to see what’s gonna happen with Atkinson. I haven’t been keeping up on his health, but let’s assume he’s healthy this season and puts up 50+ points. Do they trade him at the deadline or keep him because he’s one of Tort’s favs? He absolutely should be traded if it’s an actual rebuild.

It most certainly appears like more vets are being deliberately kept rather than traded. Whether it’s for “culture” reasons or to keep Tort’s happy doesn’t change the fact that it’s bloody stupid and the complete opposite of what they should be doing.

The problem with Atkinson is he has another year at age 35 on his contract at $5.25M.
So he'll be hard to move for value at the TDL, even with money retained.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Yet they couldn't complete a deal with anyone, maybe they're the ones who were the problem.

They did finish a trade. Krug elected to use his NTC/NMC.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I'll be pissed if the season starts and TK, Sanheim, Hart, and Laughton are still here, especially with Couts and Atkinson coming back. They'll probably be picking 5-10 again.

The optimist in me says there aren't many teams worse than the Flyers. CBJ will be much better. MTL should be better too. Chicago looks terrible but who knows with Bedard. If Anaheim is still in the basement they have to be concerned that their rebuild isn't working. SJS should be terrible. Arizona should be terrible but who knows. Flyers are probably the 3rd to 5th worst team in the league even if the big guns stay

If the offers truly aren't up to par on them, I bet Briere is betting on a healthy Coots keeping TK's numbers afloat...Sanheim might be all or nothing now though lol

 

[The Rage Kage]

If the offers truly aren't up to par on them, I bet Briere is betting on a healthy Coots keeping TK's numbers afloat...Sanheim might be all or nothing now though lol

And while that happens they play themselves out of another top 5 pick.

 

[deadhead]

They did finish a trade. Krug elected to use his NTC/NMC.

But they could have thrown in Scandella and maybe another contract and made it work this year.
I don't get the feeling the St Louis GM was that flexible, Briere might have been too accommodating.

 

[Magua]

Briere can’t be responsible for Chuck’s awful trades. That was also a weaker draft and a large amount of Covid unknowns, unfortunately they picked the wrong player. That trade also basically won Kevyn Adams the job there because he extracted max value on a player he knew he had to move, with one year left on the deal as opposed to more.

You’re telling me 2 things:

1. Briere shouldn’t base his trades on Fletcher’s trades because Fletcher was a bad GM. But Briere should base his trades (well, the ones with real value) off brutal trades by other GMs, like Tampa and Jeannot.

2. 2020 was a weaker draft (Fletcher/Flahr vociferously agreed), except it wasn’t. It was just a less understood draft. Dare I say, better players were available in 2020 in the 30s-40s than the 20s last night. I’d rank several higher without hindsight.

Everything with Laughton is inexcusable. The other day it was arguing the STHs and charities would be mad because Laughton is a popular must watch.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

But they could have thrown in Scandella and maybe another contract and made it work this year.
I don't get the feeling the St Louis GM was that flexible, Briere might have been too accommodating.

I understand what you’re getting at here, but I’m not sure I buy it.

The simplest solution here is that the Flyers valued Krug. Remember how the reporting was that the Flyers intended to keep Krug and have him run the PP? Honestly, that’s a smart bet for a rebound year. Yes, the contract is awful. But maybe it gets you out of some Hayes retention which you can then use when you pump and dump Krug.

Scandella is pure roadkill.

And again, in order for this to be true, I have to be saying the Flyers were doing a smart thing instead.

 

[deadhead]

He's responsible for fixing the mess we are in - that's the job, and he accepted the job.

Why are you working so hard to make excuses for everything? You sound like deadhead, and you don't have to do that. Most of us on here have tried to acknowledge that taking Ollie Bonk, while the result of a VERY flawed process, isn't the end of the world. But it's damned important to acknowledge that the process is deeply, deeply flawed. Jorts is also deeply flawed, Lard Ass is deeply flawed, Lappy is dented and deeply flawed - these things are not Danny's fault, but he has to fix them. If he doesn't acknowledge the problem, he can't ever hope to fix it. That's what we are talking about.

We don't know if Bonk was a need pick or they really like him - obviously, they didn't take goalies for need (Hart, Ersson, Kosolov, maybe Fedotov) but b/c of perceived value. So maybe they really liked Bonk (they took him over the Russian and another 1st rd D-man, so it wasn't just adding a D-man).

One theme that does stand out is IQ has become more important to them in the draft, you got to be really skilled to get the benefit of the doubt here.
I think they're betting we can teach skating, we can get them into the weight room, we can practice shooting, but it's hard to coach up the brain dead.

I understand what you’re getting at here, but I’m not sure I buy it.

The simplest solution here is that the Flyers valued Krug. Remember how the reporting was that the Flyers intended to keep Krug and have him run the PP? Honestly, that’s a smart bet for a rebound year. Yes, the contract is awful. But maybe it gets you out of some Hayes retention which you can then use when you pump and dump Krug.

Scandella is pure roadkill.

And again, in order for this to be true, I have to be saying the Flyers were doing a smart thing instead.

Yeah, but Briere was willing to work with Armstrong on a three way deal with Krug going elsewhere.
So it was St Louis who didn't work hard to make it work.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Yeah, but Briere was willing to work with Armstrong on a three way deal with Krug going elsewhere.
So it was St Louis who didn't work hard to make it work.

I find it overwhelmingly more likely that Krug could have been traded on and Scandella couldn’t without paying. I cannot imagine how hard you would have to look to find a team that valued him as a positive asset.

Krug had an awful year after some excellent ones. There are ways to work around the massive contract difference. You can’t finagle your way around being cooked.

 

[deadhead]

I find it overwhelmingly more likely that Krug could have been traded on and Scandella couldn’t without paying. I cannot imagine how hard you would have to look to find a team that valued him as a positive asset.

Krug had an awful year after some excellent ones. There are ways to work around the massive contract difference. You can’t finagle your way around being cooked.

But the fact that Briere was willing to work with a third party to complete the deal says getting Krug was not a major consideration, working out the money and getting a 1st was. Scandella was a pure salary dump, but St Louis probably wanted $3M more, Hayes from 30-50% would have filled part of that gap.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Oddly, guys like Hanifin and DeBrincat are still out there. Very little trade movement happened…

 

[Beef Invictus]

No one was trading during the draft, this wasn't a Briere thing, I mean the only 1st rd picks that moved was the Newhook trade.
I don't think GMs will be as stingy with the 2024 1st rd picks, and they also know they can't pressure Briere into a lowball deal.

There are very few decent FAs, so it's possible the trade market heats up once they're off the board - and many teams looking to add depth want cap help, which Briere has to offer ($12M plus TDA's $2.5M plus Ellis' $6M LTIR).

Well Briere had trades available and didn't take them, so that is a Briere thing.

You do not need to defend everything this team has ever done.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Btw…Darren Dreger said the Flyers tried to give Sanheim away, but no one would bite. This is yet another CF contract biting us in the ass.

 

[trostol]

Danny should be on the phone 24/7 til Saturday..to at least move Sanheim..then he should be making calls daily til we are for sure of a 50 point or so total next year is apparent

 

[JojoTheWhale]

But the fact that Briere was willing to work with a third party to complete the deal says getting Krug was not a major consideration, working out the money and getting a 1st was. Scandella was a pure salary dump, but St Louis probably wanted $3M more, Hayes from 30-50% would have filled part of that gap.

Briere also being willing to take other assets he wanted doesn’t mean he was willing to take completely dead weight as a substitute.

Again, I’m the one assuming Flyers competence in this discussion. Which means the world is ending.