Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[JojoTheWhale]

His value is also partially tied to his cap hit, which is what really has teams interested.

Yes. Contract length, AAV, and intangibles are carrying the day. The first two are your soft clock on moving him. You’re selling the idea of Scott Laughton and the dream of what you can still add after getting him. That can go up in smoke, hence the risk.

 

[GKJ]

I don't understand what the plan is going to be with Peterson. If you have Hart and Ersson, why bother? I mean i know we are going to lose a ton of games, but whats the plan here?

They got the assets. He’ll compete with Ersson, assuming Hart is not traded (or even if he is), and if he turns into anything it’s a bonus.

 

[deadhead]

Unless that asset is a 2 or better, the former. Time still has value and as I said to GKJ, you’re not getting an unprotected future pick for Scott Laughton. Jackpot scenarios are off the table.

Most protection is top 10. Unless the 2024 draft is far worse than 2023, a shot at #15-20 is more attractive than #29 (take some risk for upside).
Since the 2nd rd pick was Toronto's in 2024, the second asset can be a "B" prospect or a 2nd rd pick or high 3rd rd pick.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Most protection is top 10. Unless the 2024 draft is far worse than 2023, a shot at #15-20 is more attractive than #29 (take some risk for upside).
Since the 2nd rd pick was Toronto's in 2024, the second asset can be a "B" prospect or a 2nd rd pick or high 3rd rd pick.

Again, that depends on your board at 25/29. I don't know if the Flyers or any one particular team does grades the way NFL teams do, but please allow me to use it as a proxy because I know I can get the point across this way.

If a player is on the board and you've given him a mid-1st round grade, the likelihood of getting a player next year at 20 you like significantly more is almost nil. Maybe there's a slight preference, but the point in getting future picks is that you're trying to create large value swings. And now you need two major things to break right to even have a chance at it.

Now if your board had a bunch of borderline 1st/2nd types, then I buy punting the pick off for a year. But the fulcrum is still the evaluation of currently available players.

 

[deadhead]

Again, that depends on your board at 25/29. I don't know if the Flyers or any one particular team does grades the way NFL teams do, but please allow me to use it as a proxy because I know I can get the point across this way.

If a player is on the board and you've given him a mid-1st round grade, the likelihood of getting a player next year at 20 you like significantly more is almost nil. Maybe there's a slight preference, but the point in getting future picks is that you're trying to create large value swings. And now you need two major things to break right to even have a chance at it.

Now if your board had a bunch of borderline 1st/2nd types, then I buy punting the pick off for a year. But the fulcrum is still the evaluation of currently available players.

Of course, we don't know, but the fact that Briere was having serious negotiations suggest he's ready to move Laughton, he just didn't like what he was offered.

 

[trostol]

for the moment i am not concerned, though prefer, that they didn't/aren't trading Scotty 2 Hottie and TK ...right now..as long as we are bad enough to move than at the TDL...Sanheim has to go though before that NTC/NMC goes into effect

 

[BillDineen]

You just know if they had made the Laughton trade, they would have taken the goalie with the late first

 

[BringBackHakstol]

The reporting says they want to go scorched earth, yes. They also say out loud that they want people here who want to be here. I know people don’t give a shit about the people who actually do go to the games, but they matter too, they are not as few as people think, and they will have more next year. They need something to watch.

That doesn’t mean everything has to happen all at once if they don’t get exactly what they want. We all watched Chuck get his balls squeezed for 4 years while he thanked everyone for it. As much as I’d like to go burn everything and run into the woods, Briere has to set a line that he’s not going to capitulate himself.

Ok, and this doesn't impact every other rebuilding team in the league, like Chicago, why?

 

[deadhead]

Ok, and this doesn't impact every other rebuilding team in the league, like Chicago, why?

Chicago started their selloff at the 2022 TDL, with the trade of Hagel to TB.
CHicago however, went full tank, trading Dach (21) DeBrincat (25), Stillman (24), Hagel (23)

 

[GKJ]

Ok, and this doesn't impact every other rebuilding team in the league, like Chicago, why?

It took the entire first year Kyle Davidson was on the job to make the Blackhawks as bad as he could and they still weren’t even the worst team in the league nor did he trade everyone he could have.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If you want to build around Michkov, the time to start doing that was immediately after he was drafted. Not next year or the year after. Laughton should have gone. TK, Tippett, Sanheim all should have been shopped to see how many first rounders you could buy.

 

[Rebels57]

Not trading Laughton for a 1st & 2nd is indefensible. He better be moved by the 2024 Deadline. He should have plenty of interest again thanks to his cap hit. Redemption is possible.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

It took the entire first year Kyle Davidson was on the job to make the Blackhawks as bad as he could and they still weren’t even the worst team in the league nor did he trade everyone he could have.

And yet it was done the next year. What's the difference? They don't have braindead season tickets holders to apparently appease that season?

If you want to build around Michkov, the time to start doing that was immediately after he was drafted. Not next year or the year after. Laughton should have gone. TK, Tippett, Sanheim all should have been shopped to see how many first rounders you could buy.

3 years for your assets to grow in parallel. Instead we'll aquire lesser picks later. Brilliant.

 

[GKJ]

And yet it was done the next year. What's the difference? They don't have braindead season tickets holders to apparently appease that season?

They had Kane and Toews most of the year.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

They had Kane and Toews most of the year.

Valueless washed players. How is that the same?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Emperor Tortellini is molding the current roster, not Briere.

we certainly gunna know that answer come preseason start..

ps. what hell is the holdup on the whole Hart/investigation thing..

i hate that this isnt sorted... its totaly killed any chance to move him.

 

[TheKingPin]

Who is to say they don’t get more for them at the trade deadline?

Then why trade Hayes? It’s not like it was for a 2023 pick. There was no rush to trade him if you’re looking for a 2024 6th. The veins of logic do not match.

Players were traded per Torts. The players of value were not traded to rebuild.

 

[GKJ]

Valueless washed players. How is that the same?

Who won 3 Stanley Cups for those fans and were on their way out.

Last year, when the Flyers were dead men walking with dead coaches walking, what was the one game that popped a hot crowd?

 

[TheKingPin]

Chicago is trading for buyout players and getting 2nds to do it. That is a true rebuild. They got Bedard and Moore in the 1st round alone.

You need to tear it down before you can rebuild it, by definition.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Who won 3 Stanley Cups for those fans and were on their way out.

Last year, when the Flyers were dead men walking with dead coaches walking, what was the one game that popped a hot crowd?

You'd have to be brain damaged to be popped by anything that happened last year. And just for the record, it is TERRIBLE business practice to chase short-term dollars at the expense of sustained, long-term success. It's completely indefensible, but it's also unnecessary - look at Chicago's sales since the lottery. The Flyers fanbase is at least as horny for something to cling to as Chicago's.

 

[GKJ]

Then why trade Hayes? It’s not like it was for a 2023 pick. There was no rush to trade him if you’re looking for a 2024 6th. The veins of logic do not match.

Players were traded per Torts. The players of value were not traded to rebuild.

The situation was untenable. Hayes may have said the right things, but despite Torts cutting out his legs, he was a toxic figure within the marketplace. He couldn’t continue.

 

[GKJ]

You'd have to be brain damaged to be popped by anything that happened last year. And just for the record, it is TERRIBLE business practice to chase short-term dollars at the expense of sustained, long-term success. It's completely indefensible, but it's also unnecessary - look at Chicago's sales since the lottery. The Flyers fanbase is at least as horny for something to cling to as Chicago's.

Giroux’s last/1000th game never happened?

 

[TheKingPin]

The situation was untenable. Hayes may have said the right things, but despite Torts cutting out his legs, he was a toxic figure within the marketplace. He couldn’t continue.

Kevin Hayes was a toxic figure? There are far more examples of Torts being in the wrong over his career.

They traded who the wanted to, not who they needed to. Imagine the players we would have if we traded TK + for DETs 1sts. I think we could have won the draft while not getting the generational player even.

Let alone the games he is going to win this coming year.

 

[The Rage Kage]

Of course, we don't know, but the fact that Briere was having serious negotiations suggest he's ready to move Laughton, he just didn't like what he was offered.

Was it serious negotiations solely on Laughton, or did he say no to trading Laughton and pivot towards a Hayes trade? I would lean toward it being the latter.

 

[BillDineen]

Dreger at 5min on how hard it is to move money.

On Sanheim: "Philadelphia tried to give Travis Sanheim away not because he is a good hockey player and not because they don't value him. The problem is his no trade clause for the next four years kicks in on July 1 and teams are looking at Sanheim and going, well alright, we think he's going to be a good defenseman, but are we sure he isn't going to have the type of year that he had last year?"



In an environment where money is tight, a rebuilding team should trade players with surplus value on their contracts. TK and Seeler are no brainers and so is Laughton if teams value his that much.