Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[GKJ]

Kevin Hayes was a toxic figure? There are far more examples of Torts being in the wrong over his career.

They traded who the wanted to, not who they needed to. Imagine the players we would have if we traded TK + for DETs 1sts. I think we could have won the draft while not getting the generational player even.

Let alone the games he is going to win this coming year.

Detroit didn’t even trade for DeBrincat yet, and he’s been their real target, so it’s not fair to say that deal was on the table for Konecny.

Torts has the most credibility within the organization to the fans. They promoted him as such and they believe that. That made Kevin Hayes the villain, especially when Konecny got the same benching and came through the other side. The first thing everyone said when he was hired was that Hayes was f***ed.

 

[TheKingPin]

Detroit didn’t even trade for DeBrincat yet, and he’s been their real target, so it’s not fair to say that deal was on the table for Konecny.

Torts has the most credibility within the organization to the fans. They promoted him as such and they believe that. That made Kevin Hayes the villain, especially when Konecny got the same benching and came through the other side. The first thing everyone said when he was hired was that Hayes was f***ed.

Point being they traded what they had to and they left what they did not. As opposed to what Chicago and the Pens did before them. And as you pointed out, Torts seems to be the biggest issue.

 

[GKJ]

Point being they traded what they had to and they left what they did not. As opposed to what Chicago and the Pens did before them. And as you pointed out, Torts seems to be the biggest issue.

If we did exactly what Chicago did, we’d be working toward offloading this whole next year, hope we’re top 5, and then going for Michael Misa in 2025, and after that setting a course to be in the playoff mix in 2027.

 

[deadhead]

If Chicago doesn't luck out and get Bedard (11% odds), they're f**ked. Because they dumped their best young players and just have a bunch of drafted players, many late 1st and 2nd rd picks.

You dump the players you know have to go and clear the decks. The valued assets, you patiently move.

 

[landsbergfan]

If we did exactly what Chicago did, we’d be working toward offloading this whole next year, hope we’re top 5, and then going for Michael Misa in 2025, and after that setting a course to be in the playoff mix in 2027.

Sounds awesome

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Detroit didn’t even trade for DeBrincat yet, and he’s been their real target, so it’s not fair to say that deal was on the table for Konecny.

Torts has the most credibility within the organization to the fans. They promoted him as such and they believe that. That made Kevin Hayes the villain, especially when Konecny got the same benching and came through the other side. The first thing everyone said when he was hired was that Hayes was f***ed.

I agree with Torts assessment on Hayes though - I just don't like how it was handled

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If Chicago doesn't luck out and get Bedard (11% odds), they're f**ked. Because they dumped their best young players and just have a bunch of drafted players, many late 1st and 2nd rd picks.

You dump the players you know have to go and clear the decks. The valued assets, you patiently move.

They had the 3rd best odds. Let’s say they drop to 4, so that we’re being as charitable toward your point as possible.

Now they have (Michkov/Smith) and still draft Moore, Gajan, Kansterov, Misniak, etc. They still have 4 1sts in the next 2 years and 8 2nds over the next 3. They still have Reichel, Korchinski, Nazar, etc in the system. They have exactly one bad long-term contract. It’s definitely awful, but given how many pretzels you’ve twisted yourself into to say other teams will take Hayes and Risto, I’m going to assume we agree it’s tradeable in some form.

You’re being a homer. Full stop.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Giroux’s last/1000th game never happened?

Considering the state of the franchise, who gives a shit? But even for all those people who were emotional about it, that's one night. One.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

They built the entire identity of the franchise around Hayes for multiple years. If the same sections of the fanbase bought that drivel and then turned around and fell hook, line, and sinker for Tortorella tossing Hayes to the wolves….

I really don’t like calling random people idiots. I’m trying to come up with a way to phrase this that is at least pleasant. USE YOUR BRAINS.

 

[GKJ]

Considering the state of the franchise, who gives a shit? But even for all those people who were emotional about it, that's one night. One.

The people who spent their money and time cared. A question was asked and I answered it.

 

[BernieParent]

Sweet I'm going to use this post for my twitter account. Trying to get in on the clout chasing.

"Heard from an assistant regional GM that there's a good chance that Laughton is gone before the end of the first round tonight. It's a fluid situation and things could change but that is what may or may not happen. Buckle up to be safe. #fueledbyphilly"

ChatBSB

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

They built the entire identity of the franchise around Hayes for multiple years. If the same sections of the fanbase bought that drivel and then turned around and fell hook, line, and sinker for Tortorella tossing Hayes to the wolves….

I really don’t like calling random people idiots. I’m trying to come up with a way to phrase this that is at least pleasant. USE YOUR BRAINS.

Random people are idiots. There's no point fighting it.

 

[deadhead]

They had the 3rd best odds. Let’s say they drop to 4, so that we’re being as charitable toward your point as possible.

Now they have (Michkov/Smith) and still draft Moore, Gajan, Kansterov, Misniak, etc. They still have 4 1sts in the next 2 years and 8 2nds over the next 3. They still have Reichel, Korchinski, Nazar, etc in the system. They have exactly one bad long-term contract. It’s definitely awful, but given how many pretzels you’ve twisted yourself into to say other teams will take Hayes and Risto, I’m going to assume we agree it’s tradeable in some form.

You’re being a homer. Full stop.

They traded players in their early 20s to get draft picks who are 17-19. Some of those draft picks won't work out.
If you don't hit the HR, it's an exercise in futility. Because you're replacing good young players with younger good young players.
My point is they took it to an extreme (which makes sense for Oklahoma City in the NBA, a destination where they'll never be able to retain stars, so they need to use a "flood of young players model") and got lucky.

There's a happy medium, where you identify the young stars you build around and keep adding talent, but understand "the bird in the hand . . ."
Draft picks are a means to an end, not something to value intrinsically.

 

[ponder719]

They built the entire identity of the franchise around Hayes for multiple years. If the same sections of the fanbase bought that drivel and then turned around and fell hook, line, and sinker for Tortorella tossing Hayes to the wolves….

I really don’t like calling random people idiots. I’m trying to come up with a way to phrase this that is at least pleasant. USE YOUR BRAINS.

Credulous patsies?

 

[tucson83]

They traded players in their early 20s to get draft picks who are 17-19. Some of those draft picks won't work out.
If you don't hit the HR, it's an exercise in futility. Because you're replacing good young players with younger good young players.
My point is they took it to an extreme (which makes sense for Oklahoma City in the NBA, a destination where they'll never be able to retain stars, so they need to use a "flood of young players model") and got lucky.

There's a happy medium, where you identify the young stars you build around and keep adding talent, but understand "the bird in the hand . . ."
Draft picks are a means to an end, not something to value intrinsically.

fanbase has no patience, if the flyers dumped all their young first round talent to tank, this team wont be competing for another 10 to 15 years, that's why it's so important to hold on to your first round picks and just build from what you have.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

They traded players in their early 20s to get draft picks who are 17-19. Some of those draft picks won't work out.
If you don't hit the HR, it's an exercise in futility. Because you're replacing good young players with younger good young players.
My point is they took it to an extreme (which makes sense for Oklahoma City in the NBA, a destination where they'll never be able to retain stars, so they need to use a "flood of young players model") and got lucky.

There's a happy medium, where you identify the young stars you build around and keep adding talent, but understand "the bird in the hand . . ."
Draft picks are a means to an end, not something to value intrinsically.

And my point is that they didn’t have to get as lucky as they did to have it work out for them. They’re drafting to hit Home Runs and maximizing the number of swings they get to take.

Even if you zero out Bedard and Michkov to avoid the luck issue, Korchinski is certainly not a clearly worse prospect than Gauthier. What other advantage do the Flyers have if they’re not keeping Konecny? The list basically begins and ends with a 31 yo Couturier locked up forever coming off of a worrisome injury. You know I love him, but I have to be realistic.

 

[Beef Invictus]

fanbase has no patience, if the flyers dumped all their young first round talent to tank, this team wont be competing for another 10 to 15 years, that's why it's so important to hold on to your first round picks and just build from what you have.

The team isn't going to compete for 10-15 years as it is on their current path following current processes, and if they don't take real adequate steps now to build a team in the future, there will be no winning at the end of the road. Just more of what we've always put up with.

 

[Lindberg]

They traded players in their early 20s to get draft picks who are 17-19. Some of those draft picks won't work out.
If you don't hit the HR, it's an exercise in futility. Because you're replacing good young players with younger good young players.
My point is they took it to an extreme (which makes sense for Oklahoma City in the NBA, a destination where they'll never be able to retain stars, so they need to use a "flood of young players model") and got lucky.

There's a happy medium, where you identify the young stars you build around and keep adding talent, but understand "the bird in the hand . . ."
Draft picks are a means to an end, not something to value intrinsically.

How else are you suppose to add talent your roster? Aren't we all in agreement that the top 3 / top 5 draft positions are pretty paramount to getting that top end talent?

The Blackhawks are still likely to be bad or at least not very good with Bedard. Bedard probably modified their plans but that's a good problem to have.

 

[TheKingPin]

The team isn't going to compete for 10-15 years as it is on their current path following current processes, and if they don't take real adequate steps now to build a team in the future, there will be no winning at the end of the road. Just more of what we've always put up with.

Yes and to me it becomes critical now with Michkov. Even more than it was critical to load up on 2023 1sts. He’s a franchise player. You want to add a Malkin to a Crosby. You want to add a Jagr to a Mario. You need to add high end pieces to Michkov. It can’t be wasted. You need a top 5 pick the next few years, plus taking swings.

Atkinson
TK
Hart
Couts
Etc all need to go

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yes and to me it becomes critical now with Michkov. Even more than it was critical to load up on 2023 1sts. He’s a franchise player. You want to add a Malkin to a Crosby. You want to add a Jagr to a Mario. You need to add high end pieces to Michkov. It can’t be wasted. You need a top 5 pick the next few years, plus taking swings.

Atkinson
TK
Hart
Couts
Etc all need to go

They should be looking to flood the team with as much talent as possible, not worrying about keeping bottom six tier players who won't be here when the team might be good. But that's not their thing right now.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

If we did exactly what Chicago did, we’d be working toward offloading this whole next year, hope we’re top 5, and then going for Michael Misa in 2025, and after that setting a course to be in the playoff mix in 2027.

We won't be in the playoff prior to that anyways, so what's the point?

 

[Flyerfan13]

Caps are looking to trade for a top 6 forward.

Brian MacLellan seems to indicate the Capitals are currently working on a trade for a top-six talent

Washington Capitals general manager Brian MacLellan said in March that the club would look to add "a top-six winger that has skill"…

russianmachineneverbreaks.com

 

[GKJ]

We won't be in the playoff prior to that anyways, so what's the point?

That’s fine with me. 2027 is basically what they’re telling people.

People screaming about what Chicago did as if they decided on a rebuild and gutted the whole team 30 seconds later. No, it took them over a year. And that was without not having their own 1st in 2021.

 

[TheKingPin]

They should be looking to flood the team with as much talent as possible, not worrying about keeping bottom six tier players who won't be here when the team might be good. But that's not their thing right now.

It’s odd that’s even a debate. It seems pretty logical. 2024 is unlikely to be 2023, but they have hit the last two drafts and can hopefully be a high lottery pick for their own 1st. Flyguy said the 2024 draft is dman heavy. We could be in good shape by next summer even if we trade Hart and TK for multiple 2024 1sts and 2nds. Already lost a 2nd to pick the goalie.

 

[BiggE]

Is it still a rebuild when you only trade players that piss of ownership or ones the asshole coach doesn’t like?