Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Lindberg]

Danny should be on the phone 24/7 til Saturday..to at least move Sanheim..then he should be making calls daily til we are for sure of a 50 point or so total next year is apparent

I imagine you'd have a lot of pissed off GMs if Danny B is calling them at 2:30 AM to work out deals.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Couturier is gonna be 37 when MM is hitting the usual prime years. TK 33. Sanheim 34. Hart will be 31, and it's not at all unusual for goalies who are good in their 20s to hit a hard wall in their 30s.

I'd like to avoid a repeat of 2011 where there was a huge mismatch between the expected opening window of Couturier/Schenn and the guys drafted after, and all the valuable older players they kept. If we want to maximize the window we have with Michkov, then those aren't the guys who will be doing that.

TK is the only one I'd probably entertain keeping, but I still lean towards sale.

3 years from being 3 years away baby....

 

[Lord Defect]

Briere can’t be responsible for Chuck’s awful trades. That was also a weaker draft and a large amount of Covid unknowns, unfortunately they picked the wrong player. That trade also basically won Kevyn Adams the job there because he extracted max value on a player he knew he had to move, with one year left on the deal as opposed to more.




Laughton and Konecny both have multiple years left. Usually it’s when it’s down to 1. Their money will also count less on a rising cap. If you are Briere, you have no reason to think the offers go down. Everyone knows they’re good players.

It’s entirely plausible to trade a player this year for a draft pick next year. Or a pick this year for a pick next year.
You don’t know what’s going to happen. Laughton is Laughton. He’s not getting any better. The only thing he can do is regress or stay at the same level.
TK turned it up and could get better. But he’s now without provorov and Hayes. Regardless of what you think their talent level is, he’s away of how they play and has some chemistry with them. That’s gone. He’s gotta learn new players and build chemistry again. He more than likely doesn’t fit our window, so sell him when he’s high.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Zero chance the Flyers don't also get Punch Rockfist

omg that is the best slang hockey name for a Flyer ever....

 

[ajgoal]

sell him when he’s high.

They test for that.

 

[GKJ]

I’m not agreeing to any framing where those two are treated as equivalents.

Scott Laughton is a fine player whose apparent trade value comes down to contract and intangibles. Travis Konecny is an excellent NHL player.

If you feel a similar amount of pressure to get a deal done for those two, we will never find common ground here.

I would have liked for it to happen but I understand why it didn’t. It’s not like there were all kinds of missed opportunities where players of similar value and stature were being moved aside from taking on cap dumps, and there’s nobody left to trade with.

He's responsible for fixing the mess we are in - that's the job, and he accepted the job.

Why are you working so hard to make excuses for everything? You sound like deadhead, and you don't have to do that. Most of us on here have tried to acknowledge that taking Ollie Bonk, while the result of a VERY flawed process, isn't the end of the world. But it's damned important to acknowledge that the process is deeply, deeply flawed. Jorts is also deeply flawed, Lard Ass is deeply flawed, Lappy is dented and deeply flawed - these things are not Danny's fault, but he has to fix them. If he doesn't acknowledge the problem, he can't ever hope to fix it. That's what we are talking about.

There was at no point a connection between ‘why aren’t these guys traded’ to ‘why is Lappy still the coach of the Phantoms. I too would do all the things you say. But it’s not making excuses to see what their view of the forest through the trees actually is. These are 2 guys who don’t want to leave, so they don’t have to. They’ve been clear that they want guys to want to be here, too Briere is not on any kind of hot seat mere weeks into the job, so he doesn’t have to do anything he doesn’t want to unless someone makes him want to do it. This is not a foreign managerial concept within the league, or any sport really. Maybe football sometimes.

You’re telling me 2 things:

1. Briere shouldn’t base his trades on Fletcher’s trades because Fletcher was a bad GM. But Briere should base his trades (well, the ones with real value) off brutal trades by other GMs, like Tampa and Jeannot.

2. 2020 was a weaker draft (Fletcher/Flahr vociferously agreed), except it wasn’t. It was just a less understood draft. Dare I say, better players were available in 2020 in the 30s-40s than the 20s last night. I’d rank several higher without hindsight.

Everything with Laughton is inexcusable. The other day it was arguing the STHs and charities would be mad because Laughton is a popular must watch.

Tampa won 2 Cups, went to 2 more finals and have been to something like 6 of 9 conference finals, and one where they didn’t set a league record for points. For a neophyte GM who is tasked with recovering a bankrupt franchise for 10 years, applying concepts used by a franchise who has been the literal opposite would seem to be well-placed. He doesn’t have a record to know that his MO is to wait too long. We’ve got people here saying 2 of the 3 player trades he made are being done too early. The other got done before it had to be.

 

[Lord Defect]

They test for that.

Better to sell when he’s high than when you’re high.

 

[GKJ]

It’s entirely plausible to trade a player this year for a draft pick next year. Or a pick this year for a pick next year.
You don’t know what’s going to happen. Laughton is Laughton. He’s not getting any better. The only thing he can do is regress or stay at the same level.
TK turned it up and could get better. But he’s now without provorov and Hayes. Regardless of what you think their talent level is, he’s away of how they play and has some chemistry with them. That’s gone. He’s gotta learn new players and build chemistry again. He more than likely doesn’t fit our window, so sell him when he’s high.

Nobody truly knows what’s going to happen. It’s perfectly reasonable to have confidence in your process that you’re making the right decision though.

 

[Rebels57]

This is inexcusable. StL wanted Laughton for a haul and we forced a trade for Hayes.
I hadn’t realized the Laughton rumor was to StL before just now.

Emperor Tortellini is molding the current roster, not Briere.

 

[landsbergfan]

Nobody truly knows what’s going to happen. It’s perfectly reasonable to have confidence in your process that you’re making the right decision though.

If the decision is being made on anything except asset value it’s not the right process.

This is the Flyers we are talking about. Laughton is still here because they think they need him

 

[Rebels57]

I think Kopitar is still very much worth his price tag.

Between 2018 and 2021 the production wasnt there but it returned at age 35 as the Kings overall roster and performance improved. Keep in mind he's been making $10 million per since 2016-2017.

 

[GKJ]

If the decision is being made on anything except asset value it’s not the right process.

This is the Flyers we are talking about. Laughton is still here because they think they need him

They think need him because no one gave them an offer to convince them he was more valuable to someone else. All someone gotta do is pay the price. If they believe he becomes more valuable later, all anyone can do is guess what it is and what it should be.

 

[deadhead]

I think Briere is playing this by ear, he'd trade Sanehim for a 1st, but if he's only been offered a 2nd, which would probably be 45-50 at best, he may decide he'd rather keep him and see in a couple years if Sanheim is willing to waive his NTC..

He may have been offered #29 for Laughton, and decided he'd rather try for a 2024 1st rd which could possibly be in the low 20s or better.

The offers for TK maybe have been low balls, a 1st in the 20s and a 2nd. He may figure he can do better, the equivalent to a pick in the teens and another major asset.

Right now we don't know what was offered.

 

[landsbergfan]

They think need him because no one gave them an offer to convince them he was more valuable to someone else. All someone gotta do is pay the price. If they believe he becomes more valuable later, all anyone can do is guess what it is and what it should be.

I haven’t backread so I’m not sure you named this supposed price. It was spelled out pretty clearly they were offered a 1st and 2nd. When are they getting something better than that? Laughton becomes slightly more valuable at the deadline if he produces a career year and significantly less valuable if he gets hurt

 

[JABEE]

If those Laughton proposals were true. I’m annoyed

 

[deadhead]

#29 in 2023 and 50+ in 2024 or gamble on a 2024 1st rd pick that might be closer to #20 and another asset?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Laughton is the more volatile stock of the two to me. His underlying numbers last year weren’t good & he is at that age where you start seeing levels of decline. His saving grace last year was getting a sizable ice time/usage bump.

Even if Konecny doesn’t match this past year next year i don’t necessarily think the potential drop off is as potentially steep. Like I can still see him being 60+ point player health permitted.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I haven’t backread so I’m not sure you named this supposed price. It was spelled out pretty clearly they were offered a 1st and 2nd. When are they getting something better than that? Laughton becomes slightly more valuable at the deadline if he produces a career year and significantly less valuable if he gets hurt

And if they think that isn't the right price, they are wrong. It's not the least bit more complicated than that.

 

[GKJ]

I haven’t backread so I’m not sure you named this supposed price. It was spelled out pretty clearly they were offered a 1st and 2nd. When are they getting something better than that? Laughton becomes slightly more valuable at the deadline if he produces a career year and significantly less valuable if he gets hurt

What if he gets hurt, he still has 2 more years.

What if the Blues give a 2024 1st, one of the guys they drafted yesterday, and another piece? What if the package has a 2025 1st and they have a bad year?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

What if he gets hurt, he still has 2 more years.

What if the Blues give a 2024 1st, one of the guys they drafted yesterday, and another piece? What if the package has a 2025 1st and they have a bad year?

I’m not sure the 1st one of those is even better unless that additional piece is quite good. That depends on your personal board at 25/29.

But again, we’re talking minor gains. I don’t believe for a second you could get that 2025 1st to be unprotected. It’s still Scott Laughton, whose value is at least partially tied to contract length. Hell, his actual on ice play is like 3rd or 4th most important to his current valuation if someone was willing to give up a 1 and a 2.

 

[landsbergfan]

What if he gets hurt, he still has 2 more years.

What if the Blues give a 2024 1st, one of the guys they drafted yesterday, and another piece? What if the package has a 2025 1st and they have a bad year?

Okay so we are just going with the theory that anything is possible? Like maybe Doug Armstrong has a stroke during the trade call and accidentally says Laughton for 24 first rounders instead of a 2024 first rounder?

 

[Danko]

I don't understand what the plan is going to be with Peterson. If you have Hart and Ersson, why bother? I mean i know we are going to lose a ton of games, but whats the plan here?

 

[GKJ]

I’m not sure the 1st one of those is even better unless that additional piece is quite good.

But again, we’re talking minor gains. I don’t believe for a second you could get that 2025 1st to be unprotected. It’s still Scott Laughton, whose value is at least partially tied to contract length. Hell, his actual on ice play is like 3rd or 4th most important to his current valuation if someone was willing to give up a 1 and a 2.

His value is also partially tied to his cap hit, which is what really has teams interested.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

#29 in 2023 and 50+ in 2024 or gamble on a 2024 1st rd pick that might be closer to #20 and another asset?

Unless that asset is a 2 or better, the former. Time still has value and as I said to GKJ, you’re not getting an unprotected future pick for Scott Laughton. Jackpot scenarios are off the table.

 

[deadhead]

I don't understand what the plan is going to be with Peterson. If you have Hart and Ersson, why bother? I mean i know we are going to lose a ton of games, but whats the plan here?

What LA did, bury him in the AHL and hope he turns it around.
Though if they trade Hart, Ersson would start and Peterson would compete with Sandstrom as the backup until a young goalie is ready.