Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[freakydallas13]

Torts turned CBJ around

This is where I stopped reading. Not that he isn't capable of coaching well (when he actually wants to coach), but the clock on being competitive here starts after he is fired.

 

[ajgoal]

Making trades must be hard

Trade incoming in 3...2...

 

[GKJ]

Nothing has leaked on Konecny. They never really seemed interested in shopping him this summer. We all know he’d return quite a lot. As for Laughton — that’s already an overpay. You can just as easily argue that teams in the off-season believe they’re closer than they are, and that opens up trade possibilities. The actual contenders know where they stand today or in February. And taking a full $5.5MM contract at the deadline isn’t always doable.

We know they won’t actually be traded next deadline is the point. They’ll find an excuse. Their coach will complain. And on we go.

The reporting on Konecny is that he was the hardest of anybody to get, and that’s assuming the offer for Laughton is real. I think they still want 2 1sts-plus, if guys like Jeannot and Hagel got what they got from Tampa, that is reasonable, and frankly is for Laughton too, especially if he can get on a 50-point pace.

Who is to say they don’t get hurt before the deadline?

You can’t think like that, especially when they don’t have significant injury history.

 

[freakydallas13]

Seeler-Risto
Ginning-York
Big Veteran-Unsafe Veteran

Stump Chunkman - Dirk Hardpeck
Roll Fizzle-Beef (no relation to our beef) - Slam Bulkhead
Big McLarge Huge - Gristle McThornBody

 

[Magua]

This is where I stopped reading.

Torts saved Columbus, you see. He had the best goalie in the league year 2, with a bubble roster. Then his GM traded for Panarin years 3 and 4. They won 1 round. They made the Covid bubble despite being the 9th seed. Then they entered a rebuild by finishing 4th worst. Wow, can we be so lucky under his stewardship?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Stump Chunkman - Dirk Hardpeck
Roll Fizzle-beef (no relation to our beef) - Slam Bulkhead
Big McLarge Huge - Gristle McThornBody

Zero chance the Flyers don't also get Punch Rockfist

 

[freakydallas13]

Zero chance the Flyers don't also get Punch Rockfist

 

[Magua]

I think they still want 2 1sts-plus, if guys like Jeannot and Hagel got what they got from Tampa, that is reasonable, and frankly is for Laughton too, especially if he can get on a 50-point pace.

Hayes was an obvious pump and dump (every GM knows), but Laughton (who had a career worst 5v5 scoring season!) isn’t a pump and dump scoring 45ish points in premium usage that masked his real performance. The pump already happened.

The issue is they’re not getting 2 1sts for Laughton. It’s sheer madness, and it’s code for “we don’t actually plan to trade him.” Hagel was a 23 year old RFA signed to a 3 year x $1.5MM contract. That is gold. It’s a better contract than Laughton; in Chicago, age 23, he was a better player than Laughton ever was, and sure enough, he found another level because it was an upside play too.

You won’t see another Jeannot trade. Talking how rarely top 10 picks get traded and then the next breath holding out for Jeannot 2.0 doesn’t make sense. A pretty important part: it’s the same team making those trades, and now they’re short of those assets. The template cannot be a single team making a wild trade.

 

[FLYguy3911]

It's going to be a half assed rebuild because the coach has personnel say. They aren't going to trade these guys until it's too late. Maybe we get surprised Saturday, but the draft is usually the defcato deadline. Especially that close to free agency.

 

[deadhead]

You asked are we strapped for cap and didn’t take any cap dumps.

You didn’t ask anything else.

Grans and a 2nd, was our take for the salary dump, plus LA sweetened the pot (retained $2M) for CBJ who gave us a 1st and 2nd.

 

[GKJ]

I like the logic of Hayes just being an obvious pump and dump (every GM knows), but Laughton (who had a career worst 5v5 scoring season!) isn’t a pump and dump scoring 45ish points in premium usage.

The issue is they’re not getting 2 1sts for Laughton. It’s crazy talk, and it’s code for “we don’t actually plan to trade him.” Hagel was a 23 year old RFA signed to a 3 year x $1.5MM contract. That is gold. He was a better player than Laughton ever was while in Chicago, and sure enough, he found another level. You won’t see another Jeannot trade. Talking how rarely top 10 picks get traded and then the next breath holding out for Jeannot 2.0 doesn’t make a lick of sense. A pretty important part: it’s the same team making those trades, and now they’re short of those assets.

The Lightning met a price. It’s not unreasonable to demand other teams do what the Lightning do when you don’t have to do anything.

 

[Magua]

The Lightning met a price. It’s not unreasonable to demand other teams do what the Lightning do when you don’t have to do anything.

Laughton will die in a Flyers jersey of ripe old age before he gets traded for a Jeannot package.

They don’t want to trade these guys. It’s painfully obvious. Setting impossible demands while saying you’re open to anything in a rebuild — but it’s not a fire sale — is playing pretend. They traded more to rent Ristolainen than they got for Provorov with term. Hell, they got a brutal cap dump too. Somehow the demands managed to be reasonable for a player they actually wanted to move. Or should they have held firm for anything but a Ristolainen return?

 

[deadhead]

I don't think Briere was looking for (2) 1sts for Laughton, but if offered #29 he probably wanted #25, and 50+ the next season isn't the same as St Louis' 2nd pick in the 2023 draft. So he figures any 2024 1st is likely to be better than #29, so why not wait until after the draft.

I think you'll see some 2024 1st rd picks move the next couple days, and the week after FA starts.
A year away is forever for some GMs.

 

[SnS]

Grans and a 2nd, was our take for the salary dump, plus LA sweetened the pot (retained $2M) for CBJ who gave us a 1st and 2nd.

What does that have anything to do to what I was responding to?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The Lightning met a price. It’s not unreasonable to demand other teams do what the Lightning do when you don’t have to do anything.

“Have to” is pulling several tractor trailers worth of weight here. They don’t have to trade anyone, but there is a point at which the offers for Laughton go down. Given the amount of narrative that is driving his value, I would feel like I’m on a soft clock were I Briere.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I don't think Briere was looking for (2) 1sts for Laughton, but if offered #29 he probably wanted #25, and 50+ the next season isn't the same as St Louis' 2nd pick in the 2023 draft. So he figures any 2024 1st is likely to be better than #29, so why not wait until after the draft.

I think you'll see some 2024 1st rd picks move the next couple days, and the week after FA starts.
A year away is forever for some GMs.

Hello Kevin Hayes.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I don't think Briere was looking for (2) 1sts for Laughton, but if offered #29 he probably wanted #25, and 50+ the next season isn't the same as St Louis' 2nd pick in the 2023 draft. So he figures any 2024 1st is likely to be better than #29, so why not wait until after the draft.

I think you'll see some 2024 1st rd picks move the next couple days, and the week after FA starts.
A year away is forever for some GMs.

Your default position here seems to be assuming that other teams are incompetent. That’s usually my schtick, albeit from a different angle.

Who’s to say that the 25/29 + 2nd offer wasn’t made because the pick was already known? Frankly, not making that deal because it was 29 instead of 25 is insane. I don’t know what was offered, but unless it was because one specific player came off the board between 25 and 28, it’s indefensible. All risk.

 

[Lord Defect]

The reporting on Konecny is that he was the hardest of anybody to get, and that’s assuming the offer for Laughton is real. I think they still want 2 1sts-plus, if guys like Jeannot and Hagel got what they got from Tampa, that is reasonable, and frankly is for Laughton too, especially if he can get on a 50-point pace.


You can’t think like that, especially when they don’t have significant injury history.

Just like you can’t think that their value can go up while playing on a dumpster fire of a team who is still somehow trending downwards.
You don’t need them to play, so get the value they have now while you know it’s positive and start the rebuild.

 

[trostol]

Seems like a lot forget that right before we got Lindros and even during his first couple years we were shit..this could very well be the same sort of situation..with Michkov being the new "savior" so just trade whomever needs to be traded...get assets and be bad for some years before getting it together

 

[wankstifier]

I'd trade Laughton for a 2nd. Time to move on

 

[deadhead]

No one was trading during the draft, this wasn't a Briere thing, I mean the only 1st rd picks that moved was the Newhook trade.
I don't think GMs will be as stingy with the 2024 1st rd picks, and they also know they can't pressure Briere into a lowball deal.

There are very few decent FAs, so it's possible the trade market heats up once they're off the board - and many teams looking to add depth want cap help, which Briere has to offer ($12M plus TDA's $2.5M plus Ellis' $6M LTIR).

 

[Magua]

I think Gavin Brindley can be a better player than Laughton, while being 11 years younger with the cap and timeline implications that follow, and then thrown in a 2nd rounder?! GM Magua slams the trade button so hard it breaks, if the Blues had that tabled last night. With how the board was going, that’s also ammunition for a trade up for ASP or Moore.

I want to repeat this for the 3rd time: Laughton will not be under contract when Michkov’s KHL deal ends. They’ve told us that’s their internal timeline, even if it sounds delusional. I really don’t think I can spill more words on the total lack of logic to all this. Because it’s entirely emotional.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Stump Chunkman - Dirk Hardpeck
Roll Fizzle-Beef (no relation to our beef) - Slam Bulkhead
Big McLarge Huge - Gristle McThornBody

Instead Flush drafted Bob Johnson

 

[ajgoal]

Your default position here seems to be assuming that other teams are incompetent. That’s usually my schtick, albeit from a different angle.

Who’s to say that the 25/29 + 2nd offer wasn’t made because the pick was already known? Frankly, not making that deal because it was 29 instead of 25 is insane. I don’t know what was offered, but unless it was because one specific player came off the board between 25 and 28, it’s indefensible. All risk.

Unless something new came up, the trade for laughton that was reportedly turned down was pre-draft, so there really couldn't have been a particular player to eye at 25 vs. 29 (and your point stands, of course).

 

[GKJ]

Laughton will die in a Flyers jersey of ripe old age before he gets traded for a Jeannot package.

They don’t want to trade these guys. It’s painfully obvious. Setting impossible demands while saying you’re open to anything in a rebuild — but it’s not a fire sale — is playing pretend. They traded more to rent Ristolainen than they got for Provorov with term. Hell, they got a brutal cap dump too. Somehow the demands managed to be reasonable for a player they actually wanted to move. Or should they have held firm for anything but a Ristolainen return?

Briere can’t be responsible for Chuck’s awful trades. That was also a weaker draft and a large amount of Covid unknowns, unfortunately they picked the wrong player. That trade also basically won Kevyn Adams the job there because he extracted max value on a player he knew he had to move, with one year left on the deal as opposed to more.

“Have to” is pulling several tractor trailers worth of weight here. They don’t have to trade anyone, but there is a point at which the offers for Laughton go down. Given the amount of narrative that is driving his value, I would feel like I’m on a soft clock were I Briere.

Just like you can’t think that their value can go up while playing on a dumpster fire of a team who is still somehow trending downwards.
You don’t need them to play, so get the value they have now while you know it’s positive and start the rebuild.

Laughton and Konecny both have multiple years left. Usually it’s when it’s down to 1. Their money will also count less on a rising cap. If you are Briere, you have no reason to think the offers go down. Everyone knows they’re good players.