Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[SnS]

This is NOT the way.

Also, the Kings absolutely would have moved Kopitar & Doughty but both signed massive extensions after their Cups. Despite being good players still, they are not worth their price tag and would have been nearly impossible to move.

I think Kopitar is still very much worth his price tag.

 

[macleish1974]

They're going to keep all their actually valuable players until next deadline/summer to see them possibly depreciate, get injured, or just help improve the team's draft standing from 4th to 10th? They're delusional: nothing says they'd even trade them then because another excuse is alway around the corner. Make it make sense.

What even is this 3 year window they talk about? Missing the playoffs for 3 years isn't rebuilding. They're not actually collecting assets in bulk; they're too afraid to trade 3rd liners and 3rd pair defenders. Because Tortorella can't stomach being a bottom 5 team? Because they're too afraid of ticket sales short-term? Because of Flyer pride? It's not about tanking, it's about having a realistic vision of this team still being a ways away.

What it seems like they're doing is twiddling their thumbs in no man's land, and then Michkov will come here on his ELC......and they won't have a team around him? And then they'll fritter those years away too and then band-aid it. Their defense core ain't it long-term, they don't have anyone that projects as a true 1C (2C up in the air), and Michkov might be the single elite talent up front. Not good enough. Not unless you think Columbus 2018-19 was your blueprint for a contender.

They will have a team around him; just not the team you want.

BTW… Toe’s Peddle was the last player taken in the draft….

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's not a rebuild.

 

[Lindberg]

Curious did you listen to the podcast?

Last two minutes of this podcast is the discussion of Laughton :

Seravalli said the Flyers are going scorched earth. Seravalli also mentioned that he thinks Hayes had more value (I don't but that's fine).

Look it's fine if you don't think they are but to be complaining about it at this point is pretty unreasonable. Danny Briere hasn't really had much time to make changes.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyers idea of scorched earth is feeble and not enough. They say rebuild, but they don't understand it.

This isn't an actual rebuild. It's a retool.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

They're going to keep all their actually valuable players until next deadline/summer to see them possibly depreciate, get injured, or just help improve the team's draft standing from 4th to 10th? They're delusional: nothing says they'd even trade them then because another excuse is alway around the corner. Make it make sense.

What even is this 3 year window they talk about? Missing the playoffs for 3 years isn't rebuilding. They're not actually collecting assets in bulk; they're too afraid to trade 3rd liners and 3rd pair defenders. Because Tortorella can't stomach being a bottom 5 team? Because they're too afraid of ticket sales short-term? Because of Flyer pride? It's not about tanking, it's about having a realistic vision of this team still being a ways away.

What it seems like they're doing is twiddling their thumbs in no man's land, and then Michkov will come here on his ELC......and they won't have a team around him? And then they'll fritter those years away too and then band-aid it. Their defense core ain't it long-term, they don't have anyone that projects as a true 1C (2C up in the air), and Michkov might be the single elite talent up front. Not good enough. Not unless you think Columbus 2018-19 was your blueprint for a contender.

You’d think the Flyers would have learned from the Wayne Simmonds situation in regards to Laughton since there’s still a good bit of holdover in the front office from that but nah.

 

[GKJ]

Who is to say they don’t get more for them at the trade deadline?

 

[deadhead]

Near as I can tell, the offer for Laughton was #29 and Toronto's 2024 2nd (50+), equivalent to about #25.

However, other reports say the St Louis deal was Sanheim and Hayes, with Krug but $1.5M less retained on Hayes.

 

[Jtown]

I think Kopitar is still very much worth his price tag.

kopi is clearly worth his cap hit.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Who is to say they don’t get more for them at the trade deadline?

All the while collecting points in the standings that will f*** them. You can't explain this away - they chickened out this weekend, and/or Torts put his hoof down. Either way, it was a mistake. If they are going scorched Earth, they have to actually set something on f***ing fire.

 

[GKJ]

Kopitar has been worth his contract. His cap hit, maybe not. One of the reasons they got Dubois is because they want to scale him back and keep him fresher. Also why they got Danault.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Petersen?
Walker?

Walker sure cause he can easily be flipped, but Peterson? He was a cap dump, but not one that can now easily be flipped and we didn't even get anything to take on his contract

 

[SnS]

Walker sure cause he can easily be flipped, but Peterson? He was a cap dump, but not one that can now easily be flipped and we didn't even get anything to take on his contract

You asked are we strapped for cap and didn’t take any cap dumps.

You didn’t ask anything else.

 

[Deadpool8812]

You asked are we strapped for cap and didn’t take any cap dumps.

You didn’t ask anything else.

But now I did after getting my previous question answered

 

[Lindberg]

The Flyers idea of scorched earth is feeble and not enough. They say rebuild, but they don't understand it.

This isn't an actual rebuild. It's a retool.

We are at a crossroads. I'm willing to give Danny B this year to change things. It doesn't seem like most of you are.

They've at least publicly acknowledged they need to rebuild.

 

[Magua]

Who is to say they don’t get more for them at the trade deadline?

Nothing says a deadline trade would net more. 50 less games is more enticing why? Both players have multi-year contracts too; they’re not rentals. Hawks made out just fine trading DeBrincat in the summer. The Flyers would really get more for Laughton than 25 + 50s picks? I don’t buy it.

At this time, teams can plan their cap better. These are longer-term moves that affect planning (trades, signings) otherwise. The Flyers probably aren’t eating any of Konecny or Laughton’s contracts given their term and the recent Hayes move. Squeezes are tighter at the deadline.

Not to mention the obvious: it hurts the Flyers draft standing for, at best, a similar return. Like most things with this franchise, it’s all terribly pointless.

 

[GKJ]

All the while collecting points in the standings that will f*** them. You can't explain this away - they chickened out this weekend, and/or Torts put his hoof down. Either way, it was a mistake. If they are going scorched Earth, they have to actually set something on f***ing fire.

The reporting says they want to go scorched earth, yes. They also say out loud that they want people here who want to be here. I know people don’t give a shit about the people who actually do go to the games, but they matter too, they are not as few as people think, and they will have more next year. They need something to watch.

That doesn’t mean everything has to happen all at once if they don’t get exactly what they want. We all watched Chuck get his balls squeezed for 4 years while he thanked everyone for it. As much as I’d like to go burn everything and run into the woods, Briere has to set a line that he’s not going to capitulate himself.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We are at a crossroads. I'm willing to give Danny B this year to change things. It doesn't seem like most of you are.

They've at least publicly acknowledged they need to rebuild.

Tippett, Laughton, Seeler, all should be gone. Possibly TK too. This is already an opportunity lost. One more draft year wasted. He already took the wrong turn by losing the Hayes trade hard and trading none of the above. All they've done is pamper the coach's ego.

 

[SnS]

But now I did after getting my previous question answered

Walker sure cause he can easily be flipped, but Peterson? He was a cap dump, but not one that can now easily be flipped and we didn't even get anything to take on his contract

I don’t think either will be flipped. Walker possibly around the TDL.

I think Cal was brought in to be the tandem with Hart (unless Hart is traded).

I was more than fine with the deal acquiring the two, but I also don’t think Ivan was the greatest trade value we have.

 

[GKJ]

Nothing says a deadline trade would net more. 50 less games is enticing why? Both players have multi-year contracts too; they’re not rentals. Hawks made out just fine trading DeBrincat in the summer.

At this time, teams can plan their cap better. The Flyers probably aren’t eating any of Konecny or Laughton’s contracts given their term and the recent Hayes move. Squeezes are tighter at the deadline.

Not to mention the obvious: it hurts the Flyers draft standing for, at best, a similar return. Like most things with this franchise, it’s all very pointless.

More teams will know where they’re at and be more incentivized to overpay, which always happens.

Chicago got a package for DeBrincat that netted them a top 10 pick. That’s very rare, how often does that happen at the draft? Once every 4 or 5 years?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I’d be content if they moved ONE single player that wasn’t one of the obvious ones. They haven’t done that yet and this organization isn’t deserving of the benefit of the doubt. At this point they haven’t shown the ability to do what is necessary.

They traded a guy who caused a PR shitstorm that had one foot out the door already and then soon to be two guys that the coach butted heads with.

 

[Deadpool8812]

I don’t think either will be flipped. Walker possibly around the TDL.

I think Cal was brought in to be the tandem with Hart (unless Hart is traded).

I was more than fine with the deal acquiring the two, but I also don’t think Ivan was the greatest trade value we have.

Walker definitely should be flipped by the deadline. Peterson is a questionable acquisition considering he's got a big price tag for 2 seasons to be a back up. Not to mention Sandstrom, Ersson, and even Fedotov knocking at the door

 

[Lindberg]

Near as I can tell, the offer for Laughton was #29 and Toronto's 2024 2nd (50+), equivalent to about #25.

However, other reports say the St Louis deal was Sanheim and Hayes, with Krug but $1.5M less retained on Hayes.

Im sifting through the podcast but I haven't heard where the Laughton target was specifically mentioned.

Does anyone have a time stamp? Found it, posted it in a previous post.

 

[Magua]

More teams will know where they’re at and be more incentivized to overpay, which always happens.

Chicago got a package for DeBrincat that netted them a top 10 pick. That’s very rare, how often does that happen at the draft? Once every 4 or 5 years?

Nothing has leaked on Konecny. They never really seemed interested in shopping him this summer. We all know he’d return quite a lot. As for Laughton — that’s already an overpay. You can just as easily argue that teams in the off-season believe they’re closer than they are, and that opens up trade possibilities. The actual contenders know where they stand today or in February. And taking a full $5.5MM contract at the deadline isn’t always doable.

We know they won’t actually be traded next deadline is the point. They’ll find an excuse. Their coach will complain. And on we go. Add Hart into the mix.

 

[Lord Defect]

Who is to say they don’t get more for them at the trade deadline?

Who is to say they don’t get hurt before the deadline?