Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[LegionOfDoom91]

Charlie seems to think Tortorella would be the one within the organization pushing for Luchanko to play in the NHL this year while the front office would be pushing for a return to juniors.

So he said if Luchanko continues to play well there is going to be internal push by Tortorella & the players to keep Luchanko up.

He thinks the front office for sure wants to send him to juniors though & they don’t want to do a 9 game trial one way or another. Either he makes the team or he doesn’t out of camp.

 

[Beef Invictus]

And just like that I switch from "give him 5 games" to "Send him down by sunset."

 

[trostol]

I feel like they are gonna screw this kid up

 

[JojoTheWhale]

He thinks the front office for sure wants to send him to juniors though & they don’t want to do a 9 game trial one way or another. Either he makes the team or he doesn’t out of camp.

If this is the case and they keep him, the process is shit. Irrevocably shit. Coaches shouldn't be overriding the front office on a guy you absolutely love.

 

[renberg]

If this is the case and they keep him, the process is shit. Irrevocably shit. Coaches shouldn't be overriding the front office on a guy you absolutely love.

Coaches shouldn’t be overriding the GM on any player placement

 

[deadhead]

I think this is full of it. Kid has played one game and a few practices
Torts ain't exactly a HC who loves "shiny new toys."
So the idea that Torts is lobbying to keep Luchanko doesn't pass the smell test.

Now if Luchanko is lights out in games 5 to 7, things could change.

I mean that's always a possibility, but I'll bet our favorite degenerate would give us long odds against that happening.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Charlie seems to think Tortorella would be the one within the organization pushing for Luchanko to play in the NHL this year while the front office would be pushing for a return to juniors.

So he said if Luchanko continues to play well there is going to be internal push by Tortorella & the players to keep Luchanko up.

He thinks the front office for sure wants to send him to juniors though & they don’t want to do a 9 game trial one way or another. Either he makes the team or he doesn’t out of camp.

This organization will constantly find new lows.

That's what happens though when you hire a GM and a PoHO with the edict that Torts isn't going anywhere though. Torts gets what he wants. We've seen it countless times already. They'll cower in fear to him. You made the bed, now lay in it.

A well run organization tells Tortorella and the players to shut their mouths and know their roles.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Lol yeah Torts would push this kid for a roster spot only to play him 7 minutes a night before he gets healthy scratched.
He needs to go back to junior

 

[trostol]

I would have no issue, or maybe just slight, if they were actually in full rebuild mode and they kept him...but they aren't and they will screw the kid up somehow

 

[deadhead]

I would have no issue, or maybe just slight, if they were actually in full rebuild mode and they kept him...but they aren't and they will screw the kid up somehow

Full rebuild mode is the worst reason to keep him, b/c you'll be tempted to overplay him and ruin him.
At least on a good team you shelter a kid like this and limit his minutes and give him favorable matchups.
Imagine Luchanko getting matched up against McDavid, McKinnon or Barkov. Road kill.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Full rebuild mode is the worst reason to keep him, b/c you'll be tempted to overplay him and ruin him.
At least on a good team you shelter a kid like this and limit his minutes and give him favorable matchups.
Imagine Luchanko getting matched up against McDavid, McKinnon or Barkov. Road kill.

Why would he be getting matched against them?

Why must we engage in these weird dreams? If they do keep him up, you'll just make more weird dreams to justify it, too.

 

[Hanover Fist]

Yet you have no problem with Nic D getting that match up

 

[Magua]

The fun part about this team is Tortorella has too much roster say, but the Flyers poor roster/cap management has prevented them from doing the moves Tortorella wants. So, we get media reports, turmoil, then status quo. He probably wants Briere to trade Frost to find room.

 

[Curufinwe]

Depends what type of PR the Flyers want with Luchanko making the team. That's more important than actual on-ice.

They're a PR organization.

That guy we passed on didn’t make his NHL team and isn’t even signed!

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Welcome to Season 3 of the John Tortorella Show!

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The fun part about this team is Tortorella has too much roster say, but the Flyers poor roster/cap management has prevented them from doing the moves Tortorella wants. So, we get media reports, turmoil, then status quo. He probably wants Briere to trade Frost to find room.

I was kind of laughing when Charlie was theorizing on who he thought would come out if Luchanko made the team. He had Lunchanko as 3C with moving Laughton to the wing then had Cates & Brink to be the guys to get bumped out as rotating pieces when accounting for Deslauries drawing in at times too.

The entire time I felt like Yoda in my head saying “no, there is another”.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

not one person could have called that Torts was more say in the Org. then Jones or DB..

not one person..

 

[CerpinTaxt]

John is a synonym for toilet, which is very apt cause Torts stinks

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

Saw someone take an interesting stance on sending Luchanko down. They were against it saying sending him back to a shitty team in Guelph to develop offensively could do more harm than good. Causing him to develop some bad offensive habits. I hadn’t considered that and wondered if anyone had any players in recent memory that were examples of this actually happening to.

 

[Magua]

Saw someone take an interesting stance on sending Luchanko down. They were against it saying sending him back to a shitty team in Guelph to develop offensively could do more harm than good. Causing him to develop some bad offensive habits. I hadn’t considered that and wondered if anyone had any players in recent memory that were examples of this actually happening to.

Guelph was a vaguely average team last season. It wasn’t a shitty team, and they’re probably in the same boat this year. Guelph was outright good at goal prevention; they were bad offensively. Honestly, that’s the Flyers’ dream scenario for prospect development!

Jason Robertson played on the worst OHL offense in the league his draft year and the worst team his D+2 pre-trade. I think you’d be surprised how many good prospects played on mediocre teams. You say bad habits; I say forced to grow. I really don’t even know what bad habits look like for Luchanko.

 

[deadhead]

I was kind of laughing when Charlie was theorizing on who he thought would come out if Luchanko made the team. He had Lunchanko as 3C with moving Laughton to the wing then had Cates & Brink to be the guys to get bumped out as rotating pieces when accounting for Deslauries drawing in at times too.

The entire time I felt like Yoda in my head saying “no, there is another”.

More support that Charlie is just making this shit up.

 

[BernieParent]

I've never seen someone spend so much time just making up things

Not into politics, I see.

 

[BernieParent]

I am not seeing the Phantoms/Prospect thread that used to a Sticky. I am not very techie but I don't think I deleted it.

I have a list of threads that might need your services.

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

Guelph was a vaguely average team last season. It wasn’t a shitty team, and they’re probably in the same boat this year. Guelph was outright good at goal prevention; they were bad offensively. Honestly, that’s the Flyers’ dream scenario for prospect development!

Jason Robertson played on the worst OHL offense in the league his draft year and the worst team his D+2 pre-trade. I think you’d be surprised how many good prospects played on mediocre teams. You say bad habits; I say forced to grow. I really don’t even know what bad habits look like for Luchanko.

Just to be clear that wasn’t my take just one I had read that I never really considered before

 

[deadhead]

Writers create crap just to get clicks these days.
Kurz on the Athletic has Cates as the 13th forward.

This is what Cates did when he returned in the second half:
xGF 63.56%, HDCF 64.49%, pp/60: 1.68
Hathaway
xGF 62.26%, HDCF 67.96%, pp/60: 1.21
Poehling
xGF 59.55%, HDCF 62.12%, pp/60: 1.37
when they plugged Lycksell into the 4th line
xGF 59.69%, HDCF 58.26%, pp/60: 1.83

They've tried Cates at C with Foerster and Brink in the first game.
I'd like to see those three against better competition, but something to watch.

The problem with the 4th line last year was great possession metrics, but Hathaway and Poehling struggle to finish. So you want someone who can take advantage of a great forecheck. Maybe Laughton moves to 4LW, maybe Lycksell, maybe ???

This is why Briere says you can't predict chemistry, like last season, some lines just "click."