The Virtues of Development vs. Winning in the AHL (Read OP)

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

Yea posting hockey db numbers and saying Shinkaruk should play over conacher and if he doesn't the organization is ruining the purpose of the AHL

is really contributing, also dropping the word scrum only 3 times

Are you for real?

He posted his opinion and used numbers to corroborate. It's far more effective than simply saying "Canucks are a future dynasty, ra ra ra!" and "(**insert any Canuck prospect here**) is a bonafide future stud 1st liner, ra ra ra!"

He also posts countless gifs of Canucks prospects, and game recaps on a daily basis—might want to rethink that sarcastic "contributing" comment.

 

[biturbo19]

It seems simplistic...but honestly, if you're doing a good job and have a healthy organization, these two "aims" shouldn't be mutually exclusive.

Ideally, you want your farm team winning because of the development of your young prospects.


Those quality Vets for support, mentorship, alleviating some of the pressure are vital as well. But the real problem crops up when the young guys aren't even really being given the opportunity and put in positions to help the team succeed as part of their own development process.

We had a lot of that with the Wolves organiztion. The Hutton situation looks alarmingly like that to me. That frustrates me.

 

[Verviticus]

It seems simplistic...but honestly, if you're doing a good job and have a healthy organization, these two "aims" shouldn't be mutually exclusive.

Ideally, you want your farm team winning because of the development of your young prospects.


Those quality Vets for support, mentorship, alleviating some of the pressure are vital as well. But the real problem crops up when the young guys aren't even really being given the opportunity and put in positions to help the team succeed as part of their own development process.

We had a lot of that with the Wolves organiztion. The Hutton situation looks alarmingly like that to me. That frustrates me.

yeah, i agree with this completely

 

[Clinton Comets EHL]

It seems simplistic...but honestly, if you're doing a good job and have a healthy organization, these two "aims" shouldn't be mutually exclusive.

Ideally, you want your farm team winning because of the development of your young prospects.


Those quality Vets for support, mentorship, alleviating some of the pressure are vital as well. But the real problem crops up when the young guys aren't even really being given the opportunity and put in positions to help the team succeed as part of their own development process.

We had a lot of that with the Wolves organiztion. The Hutton situation looks alarmingly like that to me. That frustrates me.

According to Brendon Burke, Hutton is no longer with the team.

 

[PM]

According to Brendon Burke, Hutton is no longer with the team.

Wait what? When did this happen? Is he injured?

 

[biturbo19]

According to Brendon Burke, Hutton is no longer with the team.

Yeah, just caught that. I mean, i guess he wasn't playing anyway...


But really, where is Hutton, if not with the Comets.

 

[PM]

Yeah, just caught that. I mean, i guess he wasn't playing anyway...


But really, where is Hutton, if not with the Comets.

Yeah I can't find anything on where he went... Could he be working on his degree or something school related? Exploring out-clauses in his contract

 

[arsmaster*]

I don't see the big deal with Hutton leaving. If they're not going to play being an after practice "black ace" does diddly **** for development.

Would rather him at home working out. He needs to add bulk not practice. Same for McCann. There is no more benefit to what they're doing at practice now than in the pre preseason plauer workouts in the summer at 8rinks or UBC.

 

[Verviticus]

I don't see the big deal with Hutton leaving. If they're not going to play being an after practice "black ace" does diddly **** for development.

Would rather him at home working out. He needs to add bulk not practice. Same for McCann. There is no more benefit to what they're doing at practice now than in the pre preseason plauer workouts in the summer at 8rinks or UBC.

good for him, but it's still a ****ing joke

 

[GranvilleIsland]

Zalewski over McCann because hits are important.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

It's probably prudent to remember that who got them this far includes Green.

Doesn't really matter if we're not maximizing our prospects development.

There's no profession in life where you should watch and learn for extended periods of time. It's either sink or swim.

 

[Jyrki21]

Looks like Dylan Larkin is going to be suiting up for the Griffins for this series.

Yikes... They are going to have some solid young firepower with him, Pulkinnen, Bertuzzi and Athanasiou. Also get to see the Nick Jensen vs Nicklas Jensen battle.

Well, the joke will be on them since this will clearly destroy the locker room and lead to endless defensive gaffes.

 

[opendoor]

Personally I prefer the Canucks' method. The winning atmosphere in Utica is so strong that a guy like Hutton can soak it up from home.

 

[canucksfan100]

Need to build a good group of mid to early 20 year olds for Utica on a consistent basis, like TB, GRP has done, most of their AHL roster is made up of their draft picks, who develop and are called up when ready. This might be the 1st time since the 03-05 Moose where we have a good group of youngsters in the minors. It all comes from good drafting, signing the draftees and brining free picks or undrafted players to join the team.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Personally I prefer the Canucks' method. The winning atmosphere in Utica is so strong that a guy like Hutton can soak it up from home.

Oh come on. The Comets currently have Shinkaruk, Virtanen, Gaunce, Corrado, Grenier, Baertschi, Clendenning and Markstrom playing and contributing with McCann practicing and Pedan close to returning from injury.

The Canucks are actually doing this the right way - AHL success with multiple prospects on the team is the route both Detroit and Tampa have taken of late.

We don't know the full story with Hutton so these kinds of comments are unwarranted.

 

[Verviticus]

We don't know the full story with Hutton so these kinds of comments are unwarranted.

on the contrary, i got a good laugh out of it

 

[PM]

Well if we want to follow the Detroit/Grand Rapids method then we should probably start by dressing McCann. Grand Rapids seems to have no issues with throwing Tyler Bertuzzi and Dylan Larkin into their Calder Cup winning vet-filled lineups, although I guess we will have to wait and see on Larkin but I would be absolutely shocked if he doesn't play every game for them from now onwards.

Edit: Is Hicketts playing for them as well? If so then we should probably copy them and call back Hutton from wherever he was banished to.

 

[opendoor]

Oh come on. The Comets currently have Shinkaruk, Virtanen, Gaunce, Corrado, Grenier, Baertschi, Clendenning and Markstrom playing and contributing with McCann practicing and Pedan close to returning from injury.

The Canucks are actually doing this the right way - AHL success with multiple prospects on the team is the route both Detroit and Tampa have taken of late.

We don't know the full story with Hutton so these kinds of comments are unwarranted.

It was mostly just a joke. I'm happy to see that Virtanen has gotten in with the rest of the Canucks' prospects. Hopefully him getting in and being able to keep up will make Green and the Comets less fearful of putting in top junior players for the playoffs.

No you don't need to replace the whole roster, but there should always be a spot or two for the team's best available junior prospects. If the Canucks start finishing lower in the standings and/or improve their drafting there's going to be a steady stream of these types of guys in the coming years and I hope they treat them like every single other team does and give them minutes in the playoffs.

 

[vanuck]

Personally I prefer the Canucks' method. The winning atmosphere in Utica is so strong that a guy like Hutton can soak it up from home.

 

[vanuck]

With Dylan Larkin turning pro, I wouldn't be surprised if the Griffins put him in almost right away. They did the same with Bertuzzi after all:

The 6-foot-1, 190-pound Bertuzzi arrived in Grand Rapids on April 16, two days after his OHL team, Guelph Storm, was eliminated from the playoffs. He was 10th in the OHL in scoring with 98 points (43-55-98) with 91 penalty minutes and a plus-26 rating in 68 games.

In the OHL playoffs, Bertuzzi tied for the team's playoff scoring lead with six goals and two assists in nine games.

In four seasons with the Storm, Bertuzzi had 171 points (71-100-171), 325 PIM and a plus-35 rating.

Since arriving in Grand Rapids, his highlight reel has included:

• A goal in his pro debut April 17 as the Griffins reclaimed the Midwest Division lead late in the regular season.

• A goal and assist in his playoff debut in Game Three against Toronto on May 1. He missed the first two games with the flu.

• A two-goal game, including the game-winner 13 seconds into overtime to give the Griffins a 2-1 victory and a 3-1 series lead against Rockford on May 14.

• What proved to be the winning goal Sunday in the series clincher against Rockford.

"Getting called up from juniors I knew it was going to be a big transition," Bertuzzi said. "But I was able to score that first game, get some confidence and playing with a top line here (with Andy Miele and Mark Zengerle) has made it a lot easier for me."

http://www.mlive.com/griffins/index.ssf/2015/05/tyler_bertuzzi_has_been_surpri.html

 

[Hyzer]

I want McCann to slot in. What can McCann NOT do that Zalewski can?

Honestly? Nothing at all. McCann should play. He centered the top line one of the best teams in the CHL who was slotted to win the OHL cup.

pls green

 

[me2]

I want McCann to slot in. What can McCann NOT do that Zalewski can?

Honestly? Nothing at all. McCann should play. He centered the top line one of the best teams in the CHL who was slotted to win the OHL cup.

pls green

Physical pro stuff and board play. That's about it.

 

[vanuck]

Physical pro stuff and board play. That's about it.

Yeah, his two-way play has been touted by Dubas as a strength and posters here IIRC have praised him for it. Couple that with his speed, skill and shooting ability and it's hard not to think he could bring more to the table as an overall player than someone like Zalewski can.

As for Hutton it's super frustrating that one of our top D prospects isn't even with the AHL team in case they run into injury trouble. He's not playing and now he can't even soak up the "benefits of being in a winning environment" by osmosis in the pressbox.

 

[WTG]

Seems like Shinkaruk's agent agrees with me.

@7 minutes
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1...-has-lots-of-attributes-canucks-need-1.289457

Completely agree. You can't put a guy like Shinkaruk on the same development path as Gaunce, you just can't.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

The Vancouver Bottom Six Grinders name change imminent.