Blue Jays Discussion: The trade deadline approaches (Tue, Aug 2 at 6pm ET/3pm PT) and the market is taking shape
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Canada4Gold
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Can Happ be a full time CF? If not I don't want him. We can use a OF LH bat, but unless it's Soto they need to be able to play CF consistently. Otherwise anytime Springer is hurt/DHing/rest day Tapia is in the lineup. At the price Happ is going to cost is needs to solve that problem too.
If Happ can't play much CF then he's just another corner OF who's a free agent after 2023, we have a couple of those starting already.
If Happ can't play much CF then he's just another corner OF who's a free agent after 2023, we have a couple of those starting already.
phillipmike
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Pretty great day;
-Jays win
-Yankees lose in devastating fashion vs KC
-Seattle loses in extras
-Rays lose to Cleveland who is chasing them
-Baltimore loses to Cincinnati
Can’t win them all as Boston and Chicago won.
But the Jays are in the first WC spot, 2.5 games up on the 2nd WC team, Seattle, 4.5 games up on Cleveland and 11.5 GB of the Yankees.
Next 22 games will be tough;
2 vs Tampa
4 vs Minnesota
3 vs Baltimore
3 vs Cleveland
3 vs Baltimore
4 vs New York
3 vs Boston
All teams in a playoff spot or 3-4 games out of one.
-Jays win
-Yankees lose in devastating fashion vs KC
-Seattle loses in extras
-Rays lose to Cleveland who is chasing them
-Baltimore loses to Cincinnati
Can’t win them all as Boston and Chicago won.
But the Jays are in the first WC spot, 2.5 games up on the 2nd WC team, Seattle, 4.5 games up on Cleveland and 11.5 GB of the Yankees.
Next 22 games will be tough;
2 vs Tampa
4 vs Minnesota
3 vs Baltimore
3 vs Cleveland
3 vs Baltimore
4 vs New York
3 vs Boston
All teams in a playoff spot or 3-4 games out of one.
Anthrax442
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Why there is no game tomorrow? Stupiid yanks dont know we have a day off?
Dr.Funk
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240 career games in CF. 2nd most of any position in his career. Only played LF more.
stickty111
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Good to see this because the Argos are testing my patience on continuing to have MBT as QB. Going from a hall of famer in Ray to MBT is quite the turn in emotion for me
Even in inflated market, Blue Jays can't afford to pass up trade opportunities - Sportsnet.ca
“Last year, there was a lot of emotion and hype around coming home and the additions we made,” said interim manager John Schneider in comparing the situation last summer to this one. “Right now we're still a really, really good team, that’s playing really well right now. So, similar (situations) but you put a year of experience and a year of playing together with this group and I really like where we are right now.”
Added Berrios: “I came here for one purpose, for one reason and I've got (winning) in mind. That's why I extended my (contract) for seven more years. Everyone here (is working) to make that happen and to win a World Series.”
For that reason, the Blue Jays can’t suddenly go all conservative in a market that tilted further in the sellers’ favour when Seattle sent three top-10 prospects, including their Nos. 1 and 2, and another player to Cincinnati for ace Luis Castillo.
Compared to the cost for Berrios a year ago, the inflation was jarring, the deadline equivalent of the year-over-year change to your gas bill. The Blue Jays are fortunate enough to have a farm system that can afford the spike and it’s on them to augment in as responsible a manner as they can, no matter how much they dislike the prices.
One rival evaluator, breaking down their roster and chances, noted how this is a down year for the Boston Red Sox and Tampa Bay Rays, that the Mariners are desperate, that wild-card hopefuls Cleveland and Minnesota aren’t on the Blue Jays’ level.
“I hope they go for it,” he said.
To that end the Blue Jays’ focuses, according to another industry source, appeared to be on adding a starter and two relief pieces, with a lean toward the rental side.
Jon Morosi of MLB Network said the trade market for Oakland Athletics starter Frankie Montas was locked in on the Blue Jays, New York Yankees and St. Louis Cardinals and the righty has another year left of contractual control, making him more expensive.
The Blue Jays and A’s know each other well from making the Chapman deal back in the spring and one tenet of trading at this time of year is to only use your top prospects if an all-star calibre player is coming back in return.
Montas, who recently returned from shoulder issues, is definitely in the upper tier of starters but his health is a question. He’d undoubtedly provide a major boost for their rotation, but there’s a case to be made that plowing mid-tier prospect capital into the bullpen might be more impactful.
The Blue Jays have been reluctant to make significant bullpen investments in recent seasons because of the volatility in reliever performance, but when push comes to shove in the playoffs, the ball is often in their hands when games are decided.
For that reason, David Robertson of the Chicago Cubs seems like a happy medium, offering both experience, in-season performance and rental status to keep the price more tolerable.
The Tigers have another rental on their radar in Michael Fulmer, but also some longer-term pieces that fit for the Blue Jays in Gregory Soto, Joe Jimenez and Alex Lange. Each auditioned here this weekend and the sense on the other side of the dugout is that some of their players would remain in Toronto.
That didn’t play out and the Tigers will need to be tempted to surrender relievers with multiple years of control beyond this season, because if they’re soon to turn the corner, they’ll be looking for relievers like Soto, Jimenez and Lange to have in their bullpen.
“Last year, there was a lot of emotion and hype around coming home and the additions we made,” said interim manager John Schneider in comparing the situation last summer to this one. “Right now we're still a really, really good team, that’s playing really well right now. So, similar (situations) but you put a year of experience and a year of playing together with this group and I really like where we are right now.”
Added Berrios: “I came here for one purpose, for one reason and I've got (winning) in mind. That's why I extended my (contract) for seven more years. Everyone here (is working) to make that happen and to win a World Series.”
For that reason, the Blue Jays can’t suddenly go all conservative in a market that tilted further in the sellers’ favour when Seattle sent three top-10 prospects, including their Nos. 1 and 2, and another player to Cincinnati for ace Luis Castillo.
Compared to the cost for Berrios a year ago, the inflation was jarring, the deadline equivalent of the year-over-year change to your gas bill. The Blue Jays are fortunate enough to have a farm system that can afford the spike and it’s on them to augment in as responsible a manner as they can, no matter how much they dislike the prices.
One rival evaluator, breaking down their roster and chances, noted how this is a down year for the Boston Red Sox and Tampa Bay Rays, that the Mariners are desperate, that wild-card hopefuls Cleveland and Minnesota aren’t on the Blue Jays’ level.
“I hope they go for it,” he said.
To that end the Blue Jays’ focuses, according to another industry source, appeared to be on adding a starter and two relief pieces, with a lean toward the rental side.
Jon Morosi of MLB Network said the trade market for Oakland Athletics starter Frankie Montas was locked in on the Blue Jays, New York Yankees and St. Louis Cardinals and the righty has another year left of contractual control, making him more expensive.
The Blue Jays and A’s know each other well from making the Chapman deal back in the spring and one tenet of trading at this time of year is to only use your top prospects if an all-star calibre player is coming back in return.
Montas, who recently returned from shoulder issues, is definitely in the upper tier of starters but his health is a question. He’d undoubtedly provide a major boost for their rotation, but there’s a case to be made that plowing mid-tier prospect capital into the bullpen might be more impactful.
The Blue Jays have been reluctant to make significant bullpen investments in recent seasons because of the volatility in reliever performance, but when push comes to shove in the playoffs, the ball is often in their hands when games are decided.
For that reason, David Robertson of the Chicago Cubs seems like a happy medium, offering both experience, in-season performance and rental status to keep the price more tolerable.
The Tigers have another rental on their radar in Michael Fulmer, but also some longer-term pieces that fit for the Blue Jays in Gregory Soto, Joe Jimenez and Alex Lange. Each auditioned here this weekend and the sense on the other side of the dugout is that some of their players would remain in Toronto.
That didn’t play out and the Tigers will need to be tempted to surrender relievers with multiple years of control beyond this season, because if they’re soon to turn the corner, they’ll be looking for relievers like Soto, Jimenez and Lange to have in their bullpen.
as Pure as Evil
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i have to disagree if costs for premier players are too high you reinforce your team with cost effective players. no reason to burn through capital when other teams asks are ridiculous. would rather the team get a 4-5 for the rotation. and a pen arm. i think the closer to the deadline will see sellers drop there asks.
im against montas . flags on his health. hasnt pitched really since getting back off the i.r
just remember in 2018 deadline as lots of budding superstars and elite players were dealt
Here’s how last year’s Deadline deals panned out
In the next two-plus weeks, the ground of the baseball world will shift beneath our feet. The Trade Deadline has a way of disorienting you, out of nowhere, and it can feel as if the entire state of play has changed. But does it? July trades can feel seismic, but
the best result of all the trades ended up being......
was the red sox dealt a unranked non top 30 prospect to the jays a kid by the name of santiago espinal in return we sent a bit of cash and steve pierce who in turned in to the red sox world series mvp
Eyedea
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Think they’ll grab 1 of Syndergaard/Quintana, then a combo of Fulmer/Colome/Robertson/Givens/Cishek.
trellaine201
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I didn’t realize Noah hasn’t been the same through all his injuries. Hard pass on him.
Suntouchable13
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Jays have 3rd best record in the AL, hopefully they play like it. They should be better than all those teams, except NYY, right now.
Eyedea
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Doesn’t mean he can’t be a stable arm at the back end of the rotation. Only worry I’d have is around his home/away splits but his numbers on the road were heavily inflated by a couple of blowups against the Yankees and Rangers.
TopChedder
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I think we are better than NY. If we can grab a solid left bat (doesn’t have to be a star) a couple of pen arms (again just solid) and a starter if the cost is right, it’s no contest. Without Ryu & Matz (left) and BP injuries, things have been tough.
Add that to us not playing to our potential earlier, and NY playing way over it’s head, we are in a great place. The Yanks are old and will not repeat this season.
trellaine201
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I hope we get a few players we haven’t heard their names yet 
. Makes it fun.
. Makes it fun.I just hope we get someone at this pointI hope we get a few players we haven’t heard their names yet
Dr.Funk
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One thing for sure we can't win it all with this bullpen.
We can probably get with the rotation as is as Kikuchi won't be starting in the playoffs and the other 4 are very good.
So bare minimum we need to address the bullpen.
as Pure as Evil
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phillipmike
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Go rentals and save prospects for an offseason deal for Ohtani?
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TheMadHatTrick
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Please get Rodon! He's the highest upside arm on the market and he should come cheaper than Montas.
stickty111
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