phillipmike
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Not that I want him but they arent specific so; Otto Lopez, Bradley Zimmer, Jeremy Beasley and $1.
Blue Jays Discussion: The trade deadline approaches (Tue, Aug 2 at 6pm ET/3pm PT) and the market is taking shape
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Not that I want him but they arent specific so; Otto Lopez, Bradley Zimmer, Jeremy Beasley and $1.
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Yeah Chaim Bloom can go f*** himself with an ask like that. A top 5 prospect, plus a roster player and another prospect or cash?
stickty111
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Rosenthal just released an article and here is what he said regarding us.
-it doesn't look like we are strongly in the mix for Soto, and we might not add a left handed bat at all.
-we seem to focusing on relivers with swing and miss stuff.
-in regards to potentially adding a Left bat, Jays might have to trade a Right bat from the lineup and thats tough to do. Jays also don't want to hurt the chemistry in the club house, as Gurriel and Teoscar are 2 of the more popular guys on the team.
-it doesn't look like we are strongly in the mix for Soto, and we might not add a left handed bat at all.
-we seem to focusing on relivers with swing and miss stuff.
-in regards to potentially adding a Left bat, Jays might have to trade a Right bat from the lineup and thats tough to do. Jays also don't want to hurt the chemistry in the club house, as Gurriel and Teoscar are 2 of the more popular guys on the team.
I hope Bloom doesn’t get anything done and they get stuck in mediocrity. This dude can’t even offer fair value to his own players during negotiations but wants to clean out a team on a trade for said players. Nah
Canada4Gold
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The roster player is Kikuchi. The additional piece is Ryu. Don't go giving away my Bradley Zimmer like that.
So basically looks like nothing is happening. Like I said the ask is a lot from teams cause it’s a sellers market. There’s no point in trading a guy off our roster just to balance the lineup it could f*** to the whole chemistry
stickty111
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Meh it's just credible info but doesn't mean nothing will happen. Our deals come from out of the blue anyways.
True, but it seems the whole market is stuck right now. So many guys are available but no deals are being made. I think until the whole Soto situation is figured out or dealt with it’s going to be like this. Also f*** Seattle for being the only team to go out and literally give their farm for Castillo when the market wasn’t even set yet. Now every single team is asking for a top 5 prospect. Nothing Seattle has done in the last 20 years has made any sense
3 top 5 prospects for a guy you have control for 1.5 years… when the previous trade was Benentendi to NY.
TheMadHatTrick
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I do think chemistry matters but I don't like the idea of not trading a guy because he's "popular" in the club house. The Raptors traded Derozan and won a championship. If trading one of Teo or Gurriel for their left-handed equivalent would help us win I dont care how fun they are in the clubhouse.
So we mix up the chemistry just to have a different look in the lineup which ultimately doesn’t mean squat in the overall upgrade of the team. I mean Gurriel and Happ are very similar just one bats left one bats right. My thing is how are we upgrading this team?
If I’m going to mix up the chemistry and the mojo of the team it’s going to be a lot bigger than taking a main stay in Gurriel and just replacing him with Happ
To me it just looks like we’re going to add some relievers. This whole Soto situation has screwed over the whole deadline
Canada4Gold
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I don't mean to criticize, amd just wondering half of your posts seem to be quoting an earlier part of the same post to add something to it. Just curious why that's happening. Are you trying to edit but hitting quote instead of edit?
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I don't think you trade a Gurriel for example just to have more lefties if they are equal talent level. That would not be popular in the clubhouse and not make us better. But I think the original point was we can't pass on getting better for fear of some getting sad.
The Nemesis
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This makes sense. The need for a lefty bat is overblown.
Provided i'm not using Fangraphs' splits tool wrong, the Jays collectively rank as follows vs RHP (overall ranks without handedness splits in parentheses):
Average: 1st (1st)
Home Runs: 4th (5th)
K rate: 7th lowest (7th)
BB rate: 18th (18th)
OBP: 3rd (3rd)
OPS: 2nd (3rd)
wRC+: 3rd (3rd)
Hard Contact Rate: 2nd (2nd)
The offence is plenty good enough vs RHP, which would be the big reason to add a lefty bat.
If they can find one in a trade that doesn't cost much? Gravy. but the pen and maybe a depth starter are far more important pieces to chase right now.
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Exactly. If it's a Soto deal and you need to include Gurriel or something, then sure. But for Happ? Or even someone like Bryan Reynolds? If you move out Gurriel or Teoscar for a guy like that, you might make the team slightly better, but I don't even know if it's worth it. It's an attempt to get more left-handed at the expense of everything else, which is really dumb when the players in question don't have significant splits. (Plus you still have to play Tapia a ton, so you're not even covering for a Springer injury.)
Suntouchable13
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That’s insane if the Cubs are asking for Gurriel or Hernandez in a trade for Happ. I didn’t think you need to give up roster players for Ian Happ.
MAB1
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Roster players or not, Happ would replace one of those two in the lineup and the difference is negligible at best to be even making the trade. Soto is worth it because his bat > Teo or Gurriel. Happ's bat isn't that and the "need" he would fill is already covered by Teo and Gurriel.
Suntouchable13
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I just thought an Ian Happ would give guys nights off from fielding. He wouldn’t be taking at bats away from anyone. And also provide Springer insurance.
MAB1
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They already have the DH spot for that in addition to giving guys games off. A fully healthy Jays lineup would feature Happ on the bench.
Suntouchable13
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I see what you’re saying, so there really is no need for a lefty bat because all the positions are already spoken for.
Happ makes sense because he would rotate through various spots, giving everyone more time off down the stretch to stay healthy. He would take Tapia's playing time (which is almost an everyday player) and everyone else would get a bit more time off. Plus you would be covered if Springer gets hurt.
He makes plenty of sense, just not at the expense of equal/better players.
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