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SeaOfBlue said:
I feel like Treliving would not necessarily make terrible moves, or have a terrible plan. I just do not see the upside with him. He seems like the kind of guy who can lead a team to be above-average, but not much better than that.

Maybe it is different with more resources and a core of Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares/Rielly instead of what he had in Calgary, but I would rather just take a chance on inexperience if we are having that many question marks from an experienced guy anyways.

Or then I would rather go after Botterill. Buffalo was a mess (same reason why Byslma, who is also a part of the SEA organization as Coachella Valley's HC and has had success with them, could be worth considering if we move on from Keefe) but Botterill actually made some solid moves in there:

- Traded Pu, 2nd, 3rd, 6th for Skinner. Now the contract he gave to Skinner was arguably the worst move he made in 3 years, but Skinner is doing better now.
- ROR for Tage Thompson, 1st, 2nd, and a couple of filler vets.
- Jokiharju for Nylander. Jokiharju was a good recovery from a bad pick that he did not make.

He made some other moves which were not bad value but it feels like a lot of his tenure was mired by trying to make Buffalo somewhat competitive even though they simply were not ready for it... And that extends far beyond just him exclusively.

No bad signings outside of Skinner, although he was the only major signing he really made outside of extending Eichel. And drafting has been mostly meh. Not really a huge sample size. A couple of decent hits, but also some big misses. Another thing where he could possibly do better with a better team.
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Of the four names mentioned, Botterill interests me the most as I think he's had the most room to grow in terms of potential. I'd also be interested in a guy like Shero.

I just think Treliving makes too much sense for Shanny given his organizational position, and there's already so much smoke around him, unless one of the big names like Armstrong randomly accepts it'll probably be him.

Just going to have to hope for the best he can hit the ground running here
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
Well that is promising as long as said plan is actually good.

Something I actually wish Dubas did instead of going after killer instinct.
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The original plan with Lamoriello was to build through the draft and that was working out perfectly.

Dubas decided to change that when he signed Pyjama Boy and his ridiculously misguided plan that he stuck with for half a decade was to build a team of finesse players who were a combination of soft, undersized and/or slow footed.

Horrifically BAD plan, but sure let’s give Dubas credit for sticking with his terrible idea.
 
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Donnie740 said:
The original plan with Lamoriello was to build through the draft and that was working out perfectly.

Dubas decided to change that when he signed Pyjama Boy and his ridiculously misguided plan that he stuck with for half a decade was to build a team of finesse players who were a combination of soft, undersized and/or slow footed.

Horrifically BAD plan, but sure let’s give Dubas credit for sticking with his terrible idea.
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was it though? we weren't drafting good players other than the top picks. We were taking the Eemli Rasanens and Yegor Korshkovs of the world
 
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Menzinger said:
Of the four names mentioned, Botterill interests me the most as I think he's had the most room to grow in terms of potential. I'd also be interested in a guy like Shero.

I just think Treliving makes too much sense for Shanny given his organizational position, and there's already so much smoke around him, unless one of the big names like Armstrong randomly accepts it'll probably be him.

Just going to have to hope for the best he can hit the ground running here
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Shero would be a good example of a guy who can be President for a rookie GM.

Extensive NHL resume and experience. Won a Cup with an expensive, younger core like ours. Maybe not a guy you want running the show day-to-day, but can teach a guy like Tulsky the finer points of being a GM while still running with Tulsky's vision.
 
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such a brutal list of candidates. Botterill and Treliving might be ok but they're kind of stuck in a corner by wanting a guy with experience but not being willing to give the new guy any autonomy. Treliving probably already has the job and the leafs are just throwing other names out there.

Given the way the board/shanny want to oversee the whole operation it makes no sense why they wouldn't consider younger/less experienced candidates.
 
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Albz said:
Why isn't Tallons name being out there? He built two pretty solid teams
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Another example of a guy who would be a solid President, but probably not be someone you want as GM (and wouldn't accept being GM under the organizational structure Shanahan wants).

I think you want someone with new and cutting edge ideas running the team as GM, because they probably know the current game better, but then you also want someone who has the experience and old-school knowledge to pair and support them. Not necessarily to interfere with/micromanage the rookie GM (at least not too often; I'd still expect them to say something if there is a really egregious mistake that they could make), but to guide them on the finer points of being a GM that they may not know right out of the gate.

But if a rookie is good enough to be a GM, I'd trust them to be a GM with very few limitations... Otherwise, he is not the right guy or he is not ready to be a GM. There are plenty of quality rookie GM's who are ready to be a GM in this league though.

If the reports are true, it doesn't seem like Dubas had that and it is even more mind-numbing that it was a guy who has zero GM experience and was mostly brought in to be a mouthpiece for the board doing it. It would hold more weight if it was Lou doing it as a President.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
Another example of a guy who would be a solid President, but probably not be someone you want as GM (and wouldn't accept being GM under the organizational structure Shanahan wants).
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Iunno man. He built hawks and panthers. He'd be solid
 
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Albz said:
Iunno man. He built hawks and panthers. He'd be solid
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Game has changed a lot since he built the Blackhawks, and he wasn't exactly successful in Florida. Other than Bobrovsky, who was a bad signing until literally this playoff run, and the early picks (Barkov + Ekblad), most of this team was built after he left.

In fact, Luostarinen (who was acquired in Tallon's very last deal as Panthers GM), Barkov, Ekblad, and Bobrovsky are literally the only guys left on that Panthers roster brought in by Tallon. The rest were brought in by Zito.

As I said... I'd take him as an advisor/President/mentor. But we need someone with fresher ideas and a new perspective to be the actual GM though.
 
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Donnie740 said:
The original plan with Lamoriello was to build through the draft and that was working out perfectly.

Dubas decided to change that when he signed Pyjama Boy and his ridiculously misguided plan that he stuck with for half a decade was to build a team of finesse players who were a combination of soft, undersized and/or slow footed.

Horrifically BAD plan, but sure let’s give Dubas credit for sticking with his terrible idea.
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Bed sheets
 
Personally I think there is no reason to rush this GM hire. This will be the 18th GM in Leafs history.

To go from extending Dubas, to firing Dubas, to hiring the 18th GM in club history, in a couple weeks is nothing short of a dumpster fire (unless it’s a rockstar candidate ie: Poole, Armstrong, Yzerman etc)

Shanahan would have to wear that. Why would you light a match when you’re in the dumpster full of gas?

I’d rather him just have an interim GM (Shanny and Pridham). It looks more professional, especially if you come away with a very solid GM hire from being patient. It also takes some of the heat off the new incoming GM.

Whereas the narrative in Toronto media has been Rush! “Okay, you’re hired, now make massive decisions right away, oh, and by the way, you have a gun to your head”

Shanahan has been in place for 9 years, he can get a contract done.

It’s not like Dubas did any extremely heavy lifting with the contracts in place. We’re not up the creek without a paddle now.

Dubas’s template was pointing to the brinks truck, asking the agent to input the bonus package and years allowable. Pretty simple stuff (Dubas’s worst skill set imo).

Take your time, throw a fishing line into the NHL GM waters and see what comes up.

No way I’m tying my legacy to the UFA GM’s only. This is one of the most prestigious jobs in hockey.

Why is rush the only narrative in the media?
 
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Peter Chiarelli?

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SeaOfBlue said:
Well that is promising as long as said plan is actually good.

Something I actually wish Dubas did instead of going after killer instinct.
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Like Mike Tyson used to say a plan is great until you get punched in the mouth.

I am not sure how you can stick to a plan long term unless everything falls into place perfectly along the way which is highly unlikely.
 
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With all the smoke around Ottawa and Dubas having potential interest, I really wonder why we aren't hearing much about Pierre Dorion?

I think he's good a great eye for talent and with our resources, he can be an upper echelon GM. He's a shrewd trader as well.
 
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According to Elliotte Friedman:

- Brad Treliving has now been interviewed by the Toronto Maple Leafs.

- Interviewees also include Marc Bergevin, Jason Botterill and Peter Chiarelli.

- There are more Toronto Maple Leafs GM candidates. Those are not the only ones.

- A few more other names who have not been figured out yet.

Stayin’ Alive Stayin’ Alive Stayin’ Alive - 32 Thoughts: The Podcast

We got hockey this weekend! Jeff and Elliotte recap the Game 4 between the Stars-Golden Knights (1:00), Florida is off to the Stanley Cup Final (16:30) and they wonder what the off-season will look like for the Hurricanes (12:00).

The guys also discuss the investigation by the NHLPA into Kyle Dubas and his agent situation (28:00), the latest on the former Toronto GM (34:00), NHLPA x NHL meetings (36:30), updates on coach/mgmt. vacancies around the league (37:40), Buffalo resigns their captain (39:10), Anthony Stewart lands himself another gig (40:30), and Jeff gets his rule change thanks to Champions League Hockey (41:30).
 
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I welcome this thread. It brings to light other names and the fact that Shanahan might be doing his due diligence. That there's no "expected goals" comparisons between Treliving and Dubas.

Why are the Dubas people still here anyway?

Their savior is gone. They should leave too.
 
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Earlier this week, Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman talked about how much his co-panellist Kevin Bieksa likes Mike Gillis for the vacant GM job in Toronto.

And on Thursday, former Canucks defenceman Frank Corrado gave a similar vote of confidence for the former Canucks general manager.

“I think it would be fantastic. I think Mike Gillis was doing things 10 years ago that people still aren’t doing when it comes to how to run a franchise and the resources that he had available for players and his kind of forward thinking mentality,” Corrado said in an appearance on Sekeres and Price. “It’s crazy to think that he hasn’t had a job this whole time and it would be interesting to see like now — with the way things have gone and how much technology has advanced — like how much more advanced would he be in his approach now compared to 10 years ago? And that’s what would excite me about it, but yeah, I heard Kevin talking about that, and he’s not wrong."

“Mike Gillis did a lot of great stuff in Vancouver. He also missed on some things, let’s be honest, they didn’t draft well for the longest time… and then there were also some trades that you sit there and say, okay, like, why would you make that trade? But at the end of the day you’re always trying to do what’s best for your team, and you try and make objective decisions. And that’s what Mike does and what he did."

“I’ll always remember this coming back coming to my first development camp with the Vancouver Canucks and going into training camp that year, there was a Canucks way of doing things, and it was unique to them. And there was like a Canucks way and you talk to other people and players, there was a kind of like a Red Wings way of doing things. And there were a lot of teams that were kind of just stuck in the muck, basically, but knowing that as a young player, when you get drafted into a program, that this is how we do things and this is what we believe in it, and if you follow this path, we’re going to lead to this kind of Promised Land idea. It’s very good for players to have that and it’s good for people within the program to have that belief — like people can get behind it. And that’s what he did such a good job of.”
 
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