The Toronto Maple Leafs search for a new General Manager

[CDN24]

Bergevin didn't really do anything well in Montreal. Drafting was poor. He signed a bunch of anchors that never worked out, and his trade record is mediocre at best too.

Dubas to Bergevin is a massive step back for us. His teams went as far as Price took him.

Bergevins individual trade record is good- other than Drouin Sergachev he won his trades for the most part Highlights lowlights

2014 acquired Weise for player 61 Diaz- got a couple good years out of weise and that playoff against bruins then flipped Weise in 2016 deadline for Danault and the pick to draft Romanov
2014 deadline got Vaneck at deadline for a 2nd and a avg prospect in Colberg
2015 deadline got petry for a 2nd and a 4th
2016 weber for Subban - I think he won that one
2017 Droun Sergachev - that's his worst trade big loss
2018 domi for Galchenyuk was a win then turned that into Anderson
2018 Tatar Suzuki and a 2nd for Pachioretty - probably his best trade
2020 traded a 4th to get Scandella and then flipped in 2 months later for a 2nd and a 4th
a 1st for dvorak- not a fan but in desperation mode then.

His biggest problem was he was unwilling to lose a trade to address his biggest needs- just wanted to win each trade.

 

[Twine Tickler]

I never understood Bergevin's thinking on the Mailloux debacle. It's fine to say "screw everybody, this is my guy" if he's the 2nd coming of Wayne, but we're talking about a (very) late 1st rounder, not a consensus 1st overall. There had to be a dozen guys available that were comparable or better without all that baggage. If the kid was a no doubt top 5 talent who dropped because of what he did, okay...take a shot and damn the torpedos. But he wasn't, and probably isn't ever going to be so good that you damage the club's reputation, or your own, by drafting him that high, especially when nobody else was going to touch him with a ten foot hockey stick. That's reckless and frankly, I don't want that guy running this club. And if I was Tannenbaum and the board, I'd feel the same way.

My point was not necessarily on the selection itself. It was that MB clearly felt like the selection made sense for him and his club at that time and was prepared to deal with the consequences that came with it. I agree, it was not the selection I would have made either. But it highlights Marc's ability to be bold. This can be good or bad. In this case it was bad IMO, but it was also the best example I could find where he really put his neck on the line.

Obviously the Kotkaniemi situation was another

Alex Galchenyuk -> Max Domi -> josh Anderson

PK for Webs

Patches for Suzuki+

these were all bold moves that Marc was not afraid to make. Of course he needs to be better than he was in MTL if he were to get the job in TOR. But I admire his appetite for being bold and keeping everyone of his players accountable. Something that has been missing for a little while

 

[andora]

Bergevin stunk in Montreal because he was mostly focused on building a big bruising blueline to insulate Carey Price. The fruit of that labour was basically one fluke run in 2021.

He was mostly terrible though his Pacioretty for Suzuki deal set Montreal up well.

I like his guhle and harris picks.. and he signed jackeye too i think.. good mix there

I don't think he truly stunk somewhere in the middle outside of the one trade we all know of I don't think he lost anything else

 

[andora]

He also identified Phillip Danault from his days in Chicago as a player that was worth coveting. Or at least I assume had a large say in that deal. He basically gave up nothing for him, and acquired a very integral piece of their team for the next 6 seasons.

He's made plenty of mistakes as GM. So too has Dubas, Treliving or any other GM with experience on the market today. But I think there is enough there to suggest he has a good eye for talent.

Drafting probably needs to be better, but who knows who is completely to blame on that front.

All I know is he's the guy I think represents the best option. In conjunction with Q

I probably would find him the most interesting to hear what his plan would be if i could than the other names that have been put out there

Maybe wilson as well.. maybe with time to reflect on how he sat on his players too long

 

[Twine Tickler]

Maybe wilson as well.. maybe with time to reflect on how he sat on his players too long

I have thought about this as well. But I also imagine he still has a close relationship with Jumbo and Patty still who knows what influence that could bring. At least in the immediate future as he is getting to know the players. I am sure those phone calls would be made

 

[Twine Tickler]

At the end of the day, good GM's are hard to find. If you are a good GM, with experience, 9 times out of 10 you already have a job.

At this point, all that is available are younger first time GM's with potential. Or older GM's with experience but have recently failed in their last role. See as though Shanny has stated he would prefer a candidate with the latter, we are likely looking at a GM some questionable decisions on their resume.

We essentially are trying to identify the best of the worst. I mean that in the best possible way as well. I think GM's can learn a lot from previous failures. A guy like Brad Trieliving to me just looks and sounds like a guy who has been taking notes his entire career on what worked and what didn't. He could be a good candidate for that reason alone. I also think if Kyle Dubas goes to the right situation he could be an excellent GM and I am 99% confident he will not make the same mistakes he made in TOR. That is of course if he goes to a situation where he gets the right ownership group.

Marc Bergevin probably has one of the better resumes out of all the second time NHL GM candidates, but he also comes with a bit of risk.

At this point, I have moved past my initial disappointment of Kyle Dubas' dismissal. I just want a direction from our club. Obviously the right decision is far more important than an immediate decision, but I do think this needs to be sorted sooner rather than later.

 

[francis246]

At the end of the day, good GM's are hard to find. If you are a good GM, with experience, 9 times out of 10 you already have a job.

At this point, all that is available are younger first time GM's with potential. Or older GM's with experience but have recently failed in their last role. See as though Shanny has stated he would prefer a candidate with the latter, we are likely looking at a GM some questionable decisions on their resume.

We essentially are trying to identify the best of the worst. I mean that in the best possible way as well. I think GM's can learn a lot from previous failures. A guy like Brad Trieliving to me just looks and sounds like a guy who has been taking notes his entire career on what worked and what didn't. He could be a good candidate for that reason alone. I also think if Kyle Dubas goes to the right situation he could be an excellent GM and I am 99% confident he will not make the same mistakes he made in TOR. That is of course if he goes to a situation where he gets the right ownership group.

Marc Bergevin probably has one of the better resumes out of all the second time NHL GM candidates, but he also comes with a bit of risk.

At this point, I have moved past my initial disappointment of Kyle Dubas' dismissal. I just want a direction from our club. Obviously the right decision is far more important than an immediate decision, but I do think this needs to be sorted sooner rather than later.

Except most of those Candidates walked away from their jobs and didn’t get fired. Doug Wilson, Marc Bergevin, Brad Treliving all stepped down

 

[rumman]

Now take that line of thinking to its logical conclusion. The TML brand’s safety is more important than the TML team success to Tanenbaum and Bell/Rogers.

Doesn’t matter if a Quenneville, Brunette, Voynov, E Kane, Bertuzzi, Provorov etc is the best addition for the team’s chances of winning, protecting the brand comes first.

The board would have traded Gilmour and tried to blacklist him from the league the microsecond it came out that he likes 16 year old babysitters. Clark would have been gone the second time he sent someone to the quiet room.

what's this quiet room story?

I figured he went after Droin because they wanted more Quebec born stars and he became available. I didn't think it was a positional thing

so he has experience dealing with meddling ownership?

 

[Martin Skoula]

what's this quiet room story?


so he has experience dealing with meddling ownership?

Not a story, I don’t think Bell/Rogers want to deal with the fallout of one of their employees concussing people regularly. Simmonds fighting twice a year seems to be as violent as we’re allowed to get.

 

[PromisedLand]

May 30th. Starting tomorrow we will have exactly one Month for July 1st.

Hey Shanny

 

[keonsbitterness]

May 30th. Starting tomorrow we will have exactly one Month for July 1st.

Hey Shanny

And cut into Shanny's vacation time? Don't be ridiculous!

 

[rumman]

Not a story, I don’t think Bell/Rogers want to deal with the fallout of one of their employees concussing people regularly. Simmonds fighting twice a year seems to be as violent as we’re allowed to get.

Plenty of skeletons in MLSE’s closet, they were leaders in immoral behaviour by their employees……..

And cut into Shanny's vacation time? Don't be ridiculous!

Give the guy a break, he’s trying to sell his multi million dollar condo, hard times indeed……..

 

[hockeywiz542]

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[thusk]

I figured he went after Droin because they wanted more Quebec born stars and he became available. I didn't think it was a positional thing

Habs was desesperate for a c

Danault was looking like a 3rd c
Plekanec was declining really fast and was not a top 6 anymore

And they tought because he was playing c junior than he would be able to fill that spot in MTL

 

[Stephen]

I like his guhle and harris picks.. and he signed jackeye too i think.. good mix there

I don't think he truly stunk somewhere in the middle outside of the one trade we all know of I don't think he lost anything else

If you mixed his fixation on large defensive defensemen with the Dubas regime for the water bugs and offensive skilled defensemen you’d have a good diverse draft and acquisition I always go on about.

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

Not a story, I don’t think Bell/Rogers want to deal with the fallout of one of their employees concussing people regularly. Simmonds fighting twice a year seems to be as violent as we’re allowed to get.

I’ve always wondered if this was the case. I’m sure that’s good for the psychology of the team, having 31 other teams kick the piss of you and nobody’s supposed to reciprocate.

 

[fahad203]

Brad Treliving, Doug Wilson, Peter Chiarelli and Marc Bergevin have spoken to the Leafs. There are others but those names are the ones we know.

Three of those have been to the finals. I guess that's something

But none of them entices me. I hope they are interviewing these candidates for the purpose of formality
There's no reason why Marc Berg or Peter C should be anywhere near this team