When Dubas thought he could get Shanahan 's it was bound to happen .
Shanahan should have been gone as well.
Neither did a great job.
Neither prepared us for the playoffs until this year
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Shanahan should have been gone as well.
Neither did a great job.
Neither prepared us for the playoffs until this year
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Yes both of them should be gone. Why should Shanahan be the person making all these huge decisions? Dudes wrecked it.
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GARRIOCH: Former Oilers' exec Peter Chiarelli refreshed after taking a step back | Ottawa Sun
Published on March 11, 2020
While the 55-year-old Chiarelli took a well-deserved break after being given his walking papers by CEO and vice-chair Bob Nicholson on Jan. 22, 2019 with the Oilers sitting in seventh place in the Pacific Division with a 23-24-2 record, the Ottawa native accepted a job as a senior advisor to St. Louis Blues general manager Doug Armstrong last September.
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“Now, working with St. Louis and a lot of people I’ve known before, they’re a tight-knit group,” Chiarelli said. “Doug Armstrong is a colleague and a friend and I’m advising him. It gives you a different look because as a GM you’re always at 30,000 feet looking down and this is just different angle and working with different people to see how they do things."
“I’m exposed to a different way of doing things and secondly you’re not driving the bus so it gives you a way to expand the breadth of your hockey curve. Then, you can look back, at what I did in Edmonton, and when you come out of the job and you’re fired, especially in a Canadian market, it’s a difficult exercise as I’ve found out. I really wasn’t exposed to that in Boston."
“There’s a negative narrative out there and you can’t really rebut on why you did things. The break has given me time to reflect on what I did in Edmonton: The good things, the bad things and the things I would do differently.”
In some ways, Chiarelli may have been a casualty of his club’s early success in Edmonton. When he sat down with owner Darryl Katz and Nicholson before taking the job, he presented a six-year plan to win the Stanley Cup. That was a similar route to the one Chiarelli took when he met with Boston’s Jeremy Jacobs in 2006 and presented a five-year plan to try to bring a championship back to the city.
“In a nutshell, I’m a very deliberate thinker and planner and I strayed from that,” he said. “I strayed from that on player personnel decisions, on making off-ice scouting and management decisions and that’s not how I went into it but I did so shame on me.”
Of course, it helped Chiarelli took Connor McDavid No. 1 overall in his first draft with the Oilers in 2015, but he couldn’t have predicted in the spring of 2017 the Oilers would knock off the Sharks in Round 1 and then lose in Game 7 to the Ducks in Round 2. That bit of success tempted Chiarelli to deviate from his plan and in some ways he learned his lesson the hard way on why he should have stuck to what he tabled.
“You go in with a longer look and in this day and age it’s easy to stray from that longer look especially when you make the playoffs for the first time in 10 years and you win a round,” Chiarelli said. “I knew it was coming and I should have been more forceful in my position on where we were in the plan but it’s hard because you’ve got paying customers, an owner and people around you that feel you should take the next step."
“You see it happen in the NHL all the time. We’ve seen it happen this year and that’s a really hard position to be in. You have success early and you lose sight of the sequential building process. You see now a lot of the kids we drafted are playing there and are contributing.”
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He’s his own worst critic and knows there were errors.
“You always want to get better,” said Chiarelli. “My biggest takeaway is that mistakes are made when you stray from a plan. That’s where I have to have the discipline I had before and having sat out a year you think about it every day about how you’re going to approach your next job and how you’re going to stick to your beliefs and your approach.”
Published on March 11, 2020
While the 55-year-old Chiarelli took a well-deserved break after being given his walking papers by CEO and vice-chair Bob Nicholson on Jan. 22, 2019 with the Oilers sitting in seventh place in the Pacific Division with a 23-24-2 record, the Ottawa native accepted a job as a senior advisor to St. Louis Blues general manager Doug Armstrong last September.
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“Now, working with St. Louis and a lot of people I’ve known before, they’re a tight-knit group,” Chiarelli said. “Doug Armstrong is a colleague and a friend and I’m advising him. It gives you a different look because as a GM you’re always at 30,000 feet looking down and this is just different angle and working with different people to see how they do things."
“I’m exposed to a different way of doing things and secondly you’re not driving the bus so it gives you a way to expand the breadth of your hockey curve. Then, you can look back, at what I did in Edmonton, and when you come out of the job and you’re fired, especially in a Canadian market, it’s a difficult exercise as I’ve found out. I really wasn’t exposed to that in Boston."
“There’s a negative narrative out there and you can’t really rebut on why you did things. The break has given me time to reflect on what I did in Edmonton: The good things, the bad things and the things I would do differently.”
In some ways, Chiarelli may have been a casualty of his club’s early success in Edmonton. When he sat down with owner Darryl Katz and Nicholson before taking the job, he presented a six-year plan to win the Stanley Cup. That was a similar route to the one Chiarelli took when he met with Boston’s Jeremy Jacobs in 2006 and presented a five-year plan to try to bring a championship back to the city.
“In a nutshell, I’m a very deliberate thinker and planner and I strayed from that,” he said. “I strayed from that on player personnel decisions, on making off-ice scouting and management decisions and that’s not how I went into it but I did so shame on me.”
Of course, it helped Chiarelli took Connor McDavid No. 1 overall in his first draft with the Oilers in 2015, but he couldn’t have predicted in the spring of 2017 the Oilers would knock off the Sharks in Round 1 and then lose in Game 7 to the Ducks in Round 2. That bit of success tempted Chiarelli to deviate from his plan and in some ways he learned his lesson the hard way on why he should have stuck to what he tabled.
“You go in with a longer look and in this day and age it’s easy to stray from that longer look especially when you make the playoffs for the first time in 10 years and you win a round,” Chiarelli said. “I knew it was coming and I should have been more forceful in my position on where we were in the plan but it’s hard because you’ve got paying customers, an owner and people around you that feel you should take the next step."
“You see it happen in the NHL all the time. We’ve seen it happen this year and that’s a really hard position to be in. You have success early and you lose sight of the sequential building process. You see now a lot of the kids we drafted are playing there and are contributing.”
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He’s his own worst critic and knows there were errors.
“You always want to get better,” said Chiarelli. “My biggest takeaway is that mistakes are made when you stray from a plan. That’s where I have to have the discipline I had before and having sat out a year you think about it every day about how you’re going to approach your next job and how you’re going to stick to your beliefs and your approach.”
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Shanny is the architect of the NuNHL, if anyone expects anything besides Dubas 2.0 here in terms of team construction they’re going to be very disappointed. The speed/skill penalty-fest is Shanny’s life’s work since 2005.
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Not really sure about that for Bergevin. Especially if that is what he hangs his hat on.
He did better with selling trades than competitive trades: Getting Danault, trading Eller, trading Plekanec, trading Pacioretty for Suzuki+, trading Scandella, trading Shaw (for about the same as he received when he went to MTL in the first place), etc.
If he was in charge of selling for a rebuild, I would be fine with him in terms of his selling trades. It is the building back up that I question. Questionable signings. Poor drafting and developing. And then what does he really have to hang his hat on?
- I guess letting Kotkaniemi go was fine overall, but then he just brought in Dvorak for the same price who has not been good.
- Domi for Galchenyuk was okay, but not exactly a huge win. I guess Domi had the one good year but other than that, they both didn't exactly look great on their new teams.
- Then Domi was moved for Anderson, who has also looked subpar for the most part and has an anchor of a contract now.
- Weber trade was also fine all things considered, but both looked good on their new teams before their bodies just broke down.
- Sergachev for Drouin was terrible from the start, but may have been influenced by the need to have "French" guys on Montreal. Still, Drouin was worth like a couple of 2nds at most at that time.
- Petry was arguably his only clear cut addition move that worked out well.
And he was in charge for almost a decade with one of the best goalies in NHL history and had nothing to really show for it other than said goalie just carrying the team on his back and being so mentally and physically devastated afterwards that he hasn't really played since.
The other thing is that we never really got a clear sense of what he was trying to do with a lot of those moves. He had glaring holes that he never addressed, and the plan was pretty murky at best. He mostly just made a bunch of lateral moves on guys who no longer fit on the team for similar guys who no longer fit on their respective teams. At least with Dubas, and the moves that maybe didn't work out, you could see what he was trying to do and it just didn't work as well as he would have hoped.
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This guy is just throwing shit out there. Nobody cares what you expect, Frank. Tell us what you know.
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Bergevin definitely lacked any sort of coherent long term strategy and ended up saddling the team with some less than stellar contracts (which they may have gotten lucky getting bailed out by LTIR/retirement on for some).
He was a bit of a wild card when it came to decisions - liked to mix things up. While I do think he'd likely be a horrible hire, an interesting question is if someone like that may be better for the team than a middle of the road guy like Treliving. Probably not, but worth pondering over
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Where is the contact who does the wire tap on Shanahan’s phone to know he told the core they are staying, to tell us which candidates are being interviewed?
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He was on TSN radio this morning and said that Treliving is the main person of interest.
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Well that is promising as long as said plan is actually good.
Something I actually wish Dubas did instead of going after killer instinct.
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According to Nick Kypreos:
- the Toronto Maple Leafs have contacted Brad Treliving
- discussions with Brad Treliving will continue into this weekend
- expects the Toronto Maple Leafs to hire a new GM by the middle of next week
- this hire is strictly for a general manager
- Doug Armstrong, George McPhee, and Jim Nill are longshot Toronto Maple Leafs GM candidates
- the new Toronto Maple Leafs GM might ask for at least a 2-to-3-year deal and stay employed if Brendan Shanahan is fired by MLSE in the next couple of years
- the Toronto Maple Leafs have contacted Brad Treliving
- discussions with Brad Treliving will continue into this weekend
- expects the Toronto Maple Leafs to hire a new GM by the middle of next week
- this hire is strictly for a general manager
- Doug Armstrong, George McPhee, and Jim Nill are longshot Toronto Maple Leafs GM candidates
- the new Toronto Maple Leafs GM might ask for at least a 2-to-3-year deal and stay employed if Brendan Shanahan is fired by MLSE in the next couple of years
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I feel like Treliving would not necessarily make terrible moves, or have a terrible plan. I just do not see the upside with him. He seems like the kind of guy who can lead a team to be above-average, but not much better than that.
Maybe it is different with more resources and a core of Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares/Rielly instead of what he had in Calgary, but I would rather just take a chance on inexperience if we are having that many question marks from an experienced guy anyways.
Or then I would rather go after Botterill. Buffalo was a mess (same reason why Byslma, who is also a part of the SEA organization as Coachella Valley's HC and has had success with them, could be worth considering if we move on from Keefe) but Botterill actually made some solid moves in there:
- Traded Pu, 2nd, 3rd, 6th for Skinner. Now the contract he gave to Skinner was arguably the worst move he made in 3 years, but Skinner is doing better now.
- ROR for Tage Thompson, 1st, 2nd, and a couple of filler vets.
- Jokiharju for Nylander. Jokiharju was a good recovery from a bad pick that he did not make.
He made some other moves which were not bad value but it feels like a lot of his tenure was mired by trying to make Buffalo somewhat competitive even though they simply were not ready for it... And that extends far beyond just him exclusively.
No bad signings outside of Skinner, although he was the only major signing he really made outside of extending Eichel. And drafting has been mostly meh. Not really a huge sample size. A couple of decent hits, but also some big misses. Another thing where he could possibly do better with a better team.
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I can't picture any GM wanting a 2 year deal. Thats just asking to get run out with Shanny if it happens. And it forces them into a short focus on success, perhaps at the expense of the long term success of the club. This is not likely to be an easy fix and I would hate for the best candidate(s) to pass just because they don't want to be a bandaid.
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Not a good one anyways.
This whole thing just smells like Shanny has very little idea of what he is doing besides saving his own ass. No plan. Seemingly scared that Dubas would take his job, because it seems like he was totally fine with bringing Dubas back long term until Dubas made a power move that would have likely cut Shanny out altogether in a couple of years.
The thing is, if Shanny hires a bad GM who is gone after 2 years, he is out the door with him.
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How about Ron Hextall?!?!!:
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A change was desperately needed.
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after you clean the toilet of the shit, it remains clean for a short period of time. But eventually it gets shit on again.
we got rid of the initial shit smear. But it won't last forever.
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MTL did always seem to find some mean/physical d-men and pretty good d-men outside of the top picks.
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and ones for free that our dubas passed up on.
Xhekaj would have been a welcome - and free - addition to the Leafs. Instead our boy wonder decided he'd rather dress Holl.
Xhekaj would have been a welcome - and free - addition to the Leafs. Instead our boy wonder decided he'd rather dress Holl.
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