OT: The Thread About Nothing Part 190: Terrorists, Wild Trout, Microbeers, and Stuff

[DatBoyJPP]

One of the worst laws we have. If it's a crime, it's a crime. If it's not a crime, it's not a crime. Setting up "special punishment" depending on whom the crime occurred to is wrong.

Thankfully our hate crime laws are nowhere near as bad as England's

 

[njdevils1982]

Thankfully our hate crime laws are nowhere near as bad as England's

weve already got big brother watching with all the cameras everywhere, only a matter of time until the thinkpol gets their paws on our thoughts too.

 

[JimEIV]

One of the worst laws we have. If it's a crime, it's a crime. If it's not a crime, it's not a crime. Setting up "special punishment" depending on whom the crime occurred to is wrong.

I used to believe this as well but I've actually had a change of opinion.

I think there is value to a society saying they won't tolerate any of its members being singled out for acts of violence simply because of who they are. So in essence I do believe it is a different crime if I were to punch someone in a bar over an argument vs going out and looking for someone to punch because of their race, ethnicity or sexual orientation.

Problem often comes with implementation and interpretation but in my opinion the idea is a very good one. In my view this is precisely governments role. That is to keep order and protect all of its citizens by fostering a safe and productive society.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I used to believe this as well but I've actually had a change of opinion.

I think there is value to a society saying they won't tolerate any of its members being singled out for acts of violence simply because of who they are. So in essence I do believe it is a different crime if I were to punch someone in a bar over an argument vs going out and looking for someone to punch because of their race, ethnicity or sexual orientation

Completely disagree. Again, it's either a crime or it's not a crime. Period.

Problem often comes with implementation and interpretation but in my opinion the idea is a very good one. In my view this is precisely governments role. That is to keep order and protect all of its citizens by fostering a safe and productive society.

Which is why the law that was broken was already illegal, and already punishable, regardless of what color or sexual preference the crime happened to.

Murder isnt "more wrong" or "more tragic" if it's done because you dont like someone.

 

[JimEIV]

Murder isnt "more wrong" or "more tragic" if it's done because you dont like someone.

Actually it is. Not to whom but why. Our legal system has always measured why/intent and that is why crimes of passion have always been considered lesser than premeditated. So it is not that you committed a crime against a certain type of person, it is the fact that you committed a crime specifically because they are a type of person...And in my mind that is indeed a much worse level of a crime.

 

[DatBoyJPP]

Funny seeing that argument come from you Jim considering the homophobic slurs you've said to me

 

[glenwo2]

Funny seeing that argument come from you Jim considering the homophobic slurs you've said to me

Whoa....seriously?



(or am I once again missing something completely here?)

 

[apice3*]

JPP is a pile of sticks

 

[Oroku Saki*]

Whoa....seriously?



(or am I once again missing something completely here?)

Forget to take your meds today?

 

[glenwo2]

Forget to take your meds today?

Probably.

 

[Oroku Saki*]

Probably.

Repped.

 

[JimEIV]

Funny seeing that argument come from you Jim considering the homophobic slurs you've said to me

I never went through sensitivity training.

 

[JimEIV]

Wrong thread

 

[BenedictGomez]

Actually it is. Not to whom but why. Our legal system has always measured why/intent and that is why crimes of passion have always been considered lesser than premeditated. So it is not that you committed a crime against a certain type of person, it is the fact that you committed a crime specifically because they are a type of person...And in my mind that is indeed a much worse level of a crime.

Not in mine.

And probably I imagine not to the mind of the mother or father who lost their son or daughter; they're dead regardless of whether they were murdered for the money in their wallet or for their beliefs or race.

Hate Crime law sets a very dangerous precedent when crime is punished not for the crime itself, but for "whom" the crime happened to. I frankly think it's disgraceful at best, dangerous at worst.

 

[njdevils1982]

dirty s---........this is how its done!




*might get lost in the entertainment section.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Tried shumai for the first time today. Will eat again. A lot.

 

[Jersey Man]

had a bison burger yesterday. loved it.

 

[BenedictGomez]

had a bison burger yesterday. loved it.

So did I. I get them fresh from a buffalo farm in Hunterdon County.

They're having their open house next week if you want to learn more about this tasty creature.

http://www.nj.com/hunterdon-county-democrat/index.ssf/2013/04/readington_river_buffalo_farm.html

 

[JimEIV]

So did I. I get them fresh from a buffalo farm in Hunterdon County.

They're having their open house next week if you want to learn more about this tasty creature.

http://www.nj.com/hunterdon-county-democrat/index.ssf/2013/04/readington_river_buffalo_farm.html

I used to have permission to hunt a farm right around the corner from there.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

bison meat is great but be careful grilling it - it's so lean it can dry out by the time it's medium-med/well. I like the steaks from it though - very rich flavor.

 

[Rhodes 81]

Bison pot roast is actually heaven. If I were rich, I'd cook with nothing but bison for red meats

 

[Jersey Man]

I got my bison from this place down the block from my apt called Bareburger. Theres a couple other in NYC and I don't say this about restaurants but it was the best burger/fries/onion rings ever.

Prices are reasonable too.

 

[JimEIV]

bison meat is great but be careful grilling it - it's so lean it can dry out by the time it's medium-med/well. I like the steaks from it though - very rich flavor.

Same for deer. It is so easy to mess up. 30 seconds too long and you ruin it.

My butcher once told me the best way to cook venison is just to sear it on high heat and let the residual heat cook it through to a medium rare while resting...it was great advice.

 

[The Great Dame]

Hey guys random question, but what is the song that plays in the Prudential Center after they lose? It kinda sounds like the opening of "national anthem" by Lana del ray??

 

[Wingman77]

Hey guys random question, but what is the song that plays in the Prudential Center after they lose? It kinda sounds like the opening of "national anthem" by Lana del ray??