The Rise And Fall Of Mike Sullivan...

[Nerowoy nora tolad]

That team won't succeed until they replace Dubas with someone who understands the sport. They'd get better results giving Sullivan the GM job as well instead of having letting someone who is completely unqualified to work in hockey ops run the team. What's worse is that Dubas can't be trusted to hire a replacement either.

Can someone give me a TLDR on what the situation with Dubas is now?

5-8 years ago I remember him being touted as this highly regarded FO prospect just getting started, in a league where being a Burke-esque dinosaur really wasnt going to work anymore, he was the opposite. I recall the first few years after he took over from Lamiorello the leafs were built as fast and light as possible with debatable results.

Everybodys drunk uncle at thanksgiving hated him and called him lenscrafters dubas, but I always figured they just didnt like new-age NHL guys.

What happened?

 

[dalewood12]

Can someone give me a TLDR on what the situation with Dubas is now?

5-8 years ago I remember him being touted as this highly regarded FO prospect just getting started, in a league where being a Burke-esque dinosaur really wasnt going to work anymore, he was the opposite. I recall the first few years after he took over from Lamiorello the leafs were built as fast and light as possible with debatable results.

Everybodys drunk uncle at thanksgiving hated him and called him lenscrafters dubas, but I always figured they just didnt like new-age NHL guys.

What happened?

I think there's a sense that he signs big shiny stars that the team doesn't need, like EK or Tavares.

 

[Matty Sundin]

Their roster isn’t good and his coaching can’t mask their issue, which really isn’t his fault still. Maybe a different coach with different style could help mask their issues and have they squeak into the playoffs that’s probably all they could do.

 

[Oleksiak]

Can someone give me a TLDR on what the situation with Dubas is now?

5-8 years ago I remember him being touted as this highly regarded FO prospect just getting started, in a league where being a Burke-esque dinosaur really wasnt going to work anymore, he was the opposite. I recall the first few years after he took over from Lamiorello the leafs were built as fast and light as possible with debatable results.

Everybodys drunk uncle at thanksgiving hated him and called him lenscrafters dubas, but I always figured they just didnt like new-age NHL guys.

What happened?

His lack of hockey knowledge led to overpaying a lot of guys who didn't really care about winning and a blueline that had no one who could actually play defence.

 

[3074326]

His lack of hockey knowledge led to overpaying a lot of guys who didn't really care about winning and a blueline that had no one who could actually play defence.

The team was already a shitshow. I don't care if you don't like Dubas, but the real enemy is Ron Hextall.

 

[ijuka]

It is amazing how Sullivan can still gain so much benefit of the doubt for something he did 7 years ago.

 

[BHD]

He can still be an effective coach with a different team.

 

[Ignatius]

So weird that he was an amazing coach when the team was stacked and turned into a terrible coach when they got older and lost talent.

I have read your posts in the thread and I acknowledge what you have said as being accurate and true. The problems I would identify are more systemic in terms of how the organization is run. Many of the same issues that we have with Sullivan we had with Bylsma.

For some reason the Penguins org just don't want to play and develop most of their younger talent in favor of going out of their way to give vets every opportunity. There's no point in even getting younger guys that could help us if we're not going to give them the opportunity to do so.

I think we can all agree that Bylsma was a right time right place coach who had the benefit of operating under a more experienced and successful coach's system that he was able to make the right adjustments in which resulted in a Cup win, after that though he was exposed when he implemented his own system.

Sullivan is a great coach, however, he is like a Master Chef that needs all the right ingredients or else his product won't live up to his reputation. The organization hasn't been giving him the right ingredients on one hand and what he does have to work with is getting more and more stale, though in the case with Crosby and Malkin they are aging like fine wine in many ways.

I would say get rid of Sullivan only in favor of someone who could better work with what we have and what we know we're likely going to utilize and sit back and try to eat Clark Griswold's Christmas vacation turkey.