The Race for the Calder Trophy

[GhostfaceWu]

Except, he was the #1 guy on a playoff team. Chicago is trash.

Exactly. Swap Faber with Bedard this year and Faber isn't even talked about regardless of how many minutes he plays. The only one trying to argue this is you.

 

[AKL]

Exactly. Swap Faber with Bedard this year and Faber isn't even talked about regardless of how many minutes he plays. The only one trying to argue this is you.

Are you suggesting the only reason Faber is getting recognition for his play is because he plays for one of the top teams in the league that's currently in 21st place? Or that he's getting the recognition because Minnesota gets a lot more attention from hockey media around the league than the likes of Chicago?

 

[Blue and Green]

It's only peculiar frequency since 2006.

Before 2007, we never had a 1st overall pick.

Despite being the laughingstock of the Original Six for the bulk of the team's existence.

What does the Original Six era have to do with the draft?

 

[JaegerDice]

What does the Original Six era have to do with the draft?

My point is the Blackhawks had a long history of bad fortune before this relatively recent period of good fortune.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

But that’s the whole point. It’s not part of the trophy what happened before. Not to mention Rossi did not play three years in the ahl, but I guess that’s nitpicking. He lost a whole year of development where he didn’t play and couldn’t train or even do a simple workout for months. Did you read about that too? Could have arguably had a larger impact even. But it doesn’t matter for this trophy because it’s not what happened before. It’s about this year, being a new player in the best league.

I never claimed I knew Rossi's history nor that he played 3 years in the AHL. I claimed he is in his D+4 season which is 3 years ahead of Bedard and that he played a big role in beating the Rockford Icehogs several times while playing for the Iowa Wild - implying that he had a lot more professional experience than Bedard had before this season - which is true regardless time missed due to injury or whatever.

I just looked up his stats - he played 2 full seasons in the AHL after not playing in his D+1 season. So - he missed a year but than had 2 full years of professional hockey in the AHL before starting his NHL career this season. That's 2 years of experience and getting bigger and stronger and older - isn't it?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Just can’t have nice conversations here.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Just can’t have nice conversations here.

What did you expect when division rivals have arguably the top 3 rookies lol

 

[Mrfenn92]

What did you expect when division rivals have arguably the top 3 rookies lol

Being civil without tearing down young players
That’s all

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Are you suggesting the only reason Faber is getting recognition for his play is because he plays for one of the top teams in the league that's currently in 21st place? Or that he's getting the recognition because Minnesota gets a lot more attention from hockey media around the league than the likes of Chicago?

I don't think it's too controversial to say that the Faber fancy stats that we like to point to might not be what they are if he was playing with Chicago's LDs and forwards. And in that case, the discussion would change at least a little bit.

Yes, what he has done this year is incredibly impressive, especially lately, but the player that he's played with the most 5v5 is still Brodin.

 

[featherhawk]

What did you expect when division rivals have arguably the top 3 rookies lol

discussions about how each of Bedard, Faber and Rossi are fairing this season and how each have pros and cons to the teams they play on and that we will see who comes out of the wash in the end...

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Being civil without tearing down young players
That’s all

discussions about how each of Bedard, Faber and Rossi are fairing this season and how each have pros and cons to the teams they play on and that we will see who comes out of the wash in the end...

The conversation here has been relatively tame. Not really sure what the issue is.

 

[ijuka]

There isn't much of a discussion to be had, Bedard has been far better than the competition.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I don't think it's too controversial to say that the Faber fancy stats that we like to point to might not be what they are if he was playing with Chicago's LDs and forwards. And in that case, the discussion would change at least a little bit.

Yes, what he has done this year is incredibly impressive, especially lately, but the player that he's played with the most 5v5 is still Brodin.

He's looked better next to Middleton IMO. Not sure if the stats back that up or not.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He's looked better next to Middleton IMO. Not sure if the stats back that up or not.

Some games, I'm sure. I remember them getting pretty well trucked against Montreal.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Some games, I'm sure. I remember them getting pretty well trucked against Montreal.

The recent one or the first Montreal game?

 

[Fatass]

You s there really a race for the Calder. If it is a race (not a fair one) then Bedard has already lapped the field. And before this season is one Bedard will likely go up two or even three Laps. No too sure how Bedard isn’t the unanimous Calder winner.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The recent one or the first Montreal game?

December 21st

 

[ORRFForever]

If Faber fans really believe he will win, they should put their money where their mouth is. The odds are +2000 at Fan Duel so you'll make a killing.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If Faber fans really believe he will win, they should put their money where their mouth is. The odds are +2000 at Fan Duel so you'll make a killing.

Will/will not and should/should not are pretty different.

 

[Nikki Potnick]

No too sure how Bedard isn’t the unanimous Calder winner.

Because idiots like Michael Russo exist.

 

[LuGBuG]

You never know what happens but let’s be honest if the trophy is awarded today its Bedard and the voting isn’t even remotely close. Take that as you wish but it’s a fact.

 

[State of Hockey]

Brock Faber has been extremely consistent about winning his matchups and tilting the ice when he is out there for half the game. He has been instrumental in his team currently being the hottest in the league. I do have a preference for two way/defensive players, that is my personal bias and I own it. I truly do think that what Brock is doing is quite unprecedented in the modern era.

Is Faber really tilting the ice? Is he really instrumental in why they are hot? Those statements deserve a closer look.

1) Statistically Faber is not what he is being hyped as except for one number. Possession-wise he is average. His PK goals against is average. His PP goals for is below average. His 5 on 5 offense is below average. Jake Middleton is a close comparison in most of his stats, and nobody will claim he is in the same ballpark. The one stat that sticks out for Faber is 5 on 5 goals against. It's incredibly low, and it is the stat that ultimately counts on the defensive end. But it's clearly an outlier. Is it an accurate reflection of his play? Or is it simply an outlier that will regress over time as his luck changes? I'd say when you sum up the stats that lead to goals for and against, it says wait and see over a larger sample size before you crown him. The ingredients don't point to the cake.

2) This answer is much easier to answer. The Wild are playing much better because they are an emotionally immature team, got a coach fired, and now again play with that playoff-like intensity they are known for. Did Faber all of a sudden turn on god-mode 13 games ago and drive his team to wins? No. The entire team turned on their controllers. Faber was already getting hyped when they were playing like garbage and couldn't keep the puck out of their net. So what is it? Is he really this driving force that is being claimed? Or is he just another good player on a decent team? The evidence so far points far more to the latter than the former.

This is a very stong class of rookies. More than the usual number of impact players, with a good number of rookies a tier below those in the Calder discussion.

I disagree. I think besides Bedard this is another weak class. For example, the 2nd player in points (Rossi) plays with good linemates and yet you just don't hear his name called often. For as high a scoring this league is right now, there's only three guys not named Bedard that have played most of the season and are on a pace for over 50 points over an 82 game season. This is nothing like the mid-teens or earlier.

 

[clydesdale line]

Is Faber really tilting the ice? Is he really instrumental in why they are hot? Those statements deserve a closer look.

1) Statistically Faber is not what he is being hyped as except for one number. Possession-wise he is average. His PK goals against is average. His PP goals for is below average. His 5 on 5 offense is below average. Jake Middleton is a close comparison in most of his stats, and nobody will claim he is in the same ballpark. The one stat that sticks out for Faber is 5 on 5 goals against. It's incredibly low, and it is the stat that ultimately counts on the defensive end. But it's clearly an outlier. Is it an accurate reflection of his play? Or is it simply an outlier that will regress over time as his luck changes? I'd say when you sum up the stats that lead to goals for and against, it says wait and see over a larger sample size before you crown him. The ingredients don't point to the cake.

2) This answer is much easier to answer. The Wild are playing much better because they are an emotionally immature team, got a coach fired, and now again play with that playoff-like intensity they are known for. Did Faber all of a sudden turn on god-mode 13 games ago and drive his team to wins? No. The entire team turned on their controllers. Faber was already getting hyped when they were playing like garbage and couldn't keep the puck out of their net. So what is it? Is he really this driving force that is being claimed? Or is he just another good player on a decent team? The evidence so far points far more to the latter than the former.




I disagree. I think besides Bedard this is another weak class. For example, the 2nd player in points (Rossi) plays with good linemates and yet you just don't hear his name called often. For as high a scoring this league is right now, there's only three guys not named Bedard that have played most of the season and are on a pace for over 50 points over an 82 game season. This is nothing like the mid-teens or earlier.

Incredible post.

 

[57special]

Incredible post.

From a notorious Wild hater.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Is Faber really tilting the ice? Is he really instrumental in why they are hot? Those statements deserve a closer look.

1) Statistically Faber is not what he is being hyped as except for one number. Possession-wise he is average. His PK goals against is average. His PP goals for is below average. His 5 on 5 offense is below average. Jake Middleton is a close comparison in most of his stats, and nobody will claim he is in the same ballpark. The one stat that sticks out for Faber is 5 on 5 goals against. It's incredibly low, and it is the stat that ultimately counts on the defensive end. But it's clearly an outlier. Is it an accurate reflection of his play? Or is it simply an outlier that will regress over time as his luck changes? I'd say when you sum up the stats that lead to goals for and against, it says wait and see over a larger sample size before you crown him. The ingredients don't point to the cake.

2) This answer is much easier to answer. The Wild are playing much better because they are an emotionally immature team, got a coach fired, and now again play with that playoff-like intensity they are known for. Did Faber all of a sudden turn on god-mode 13 games ago and drive his team to wins? No. The entire team turned on their controllers. Faber was already getting hyped when they were playing like garbage and couldn't keep the puck out of their net. So what is it? Is he really this driving force that is being claimed? Or is he just another good player on a decent team? The evidence so far points far more to the latter than the former.




I disagree. I think besides Bedard this is another weak class. For example, the 2nd player in points (Rossi) plays with good linemates and yet you just don't hear his name called often. For as high a scoring this league is right now, there's only three guys not named Bedard that have played most of the season and are on a pace for over 50 points over an 82 game season. This is nothing like the mid-teens or earlier.

To answer number 1, at 5v5 he has received .931 goaltending this year. Over the last month, it’s shot up to .945. This is despite the fact that over the last month he has the fifth worst HDCA/60 on his team (worst out of his defense who played all those games).

It’s amazing that he’s been able to soak heavy minutes and usage as a rookie. The underlyings say he’s handling it as well as can be reasonably expected, not to the level some posters would have you think, and is riding some unsustainable percentages.