Toggle sidebar

The Race for the Calder Trophy

Status
Not open for further replies.
TLEH said:
I can read. I read what you typed. I didn't use any strong language or insult you. I simply pointed out that disparaging Kaprizov and Boldy to prop up Faber is straight comical. Those two players, as well as guys like JEE, have more than built their reputation in this league over more than a 30 game sample size, and that sample size that includes largely underperforming goaltending doesn't mean they suck.

On the bolded, you can "imagine", to use your words, that all 1.01 are on underperforming teams, but people who do data analysis for a living have shown that he is in the most difficult situation for 1.01 players in the past 13 years.

View attachment 787849
Click to expand...
I didn’t disparage them to prop up Faber. I was informing on their bad seasons so far as a response to people using them as a crutch for Faber.

The same guy who made usage that chart is the same one ranking Faber above Bedard via his model by the way.
 
KaprizovEntitlelist said:
Kaprrizov is @ level Eichel has never been at. Get real. Kaprrizov is untouchable as their is
Click to expand...
Obvious Fabertism said:
I co-sign it, Kaprizov has already had a game winning impact more times in this partial single season than Eichel has had in his career. You can say he has all the skill in the world but he averages 10 strides a shift, turns it over on lazy plays and never does anything in late game situations to help his team win. Eichel is a negative contract value player at this point in time who hasn't won a single thing as an adult hockey player.

Obviously its not going to be a popular take, but I would rather build a winning team around KK than JE, let alone throw in Fiala, Dumba, and Rossi.

This is way off topic though, I agree that both these teams make terrible trade partners. No real point in moving forward with the absurd requests.
Click to expand...
Now Kaprizov is just a product of his usage apparently.

Obvious Fabertism said:
I didn’t disparage them to prop up Faber. I was informing on their bad seasons so far as a response to people using them as a crutch for Faber.

The same guy who made usage that chart is the same one ranking Faber above Bedard via his model by the way.
Click to expand...
Faber has an argument to win the Calder. I never was one of the people in here that said he didn't. You're just presenting the argument that Faber should win using a bunch of statements that aren't true. "All 1.01s play on bad teams so that isn't a positive for Bedard" Well.. maybe but the above chart proves why its talked about more this year. The worst team and hardest minutes in the last 13 years.

Faber currently playing 1D minutes and deployment on a team as a rookie while also producing decently offensively. That is the argument for him winning the Calder.

Bedard's argument for winning the Calder is his production and deployment despite his environment. You don't need to also disparage Faber's environment. That isn't the argument for him winning.
 
  • Like
Reactions: shakes the clown and GreatSaveEssensa
TLEH said:
Now Kaprizov is just a product of his usage apparently.


Faber has an argument to win the Calder. I never was one of the people in here that said he didn't. You're just presenting the argument that Faber should win using a bunch of statements that aren't true. "All 1.01s play on bad teams so that isn't a positive for Bedard" Well.. maybe but the above chart proves why its talked about more this year. The worst team and hardest minutes in the last 13 years.

Faber currently playing 1D minutes and deployment on a team as a rookie while also producing decently offensively. That is the argument for him winning the Calder.

Bedard's argument for winning the Calder is his production and deployment despite his environment. You don't need to also disparage Faber's environment. That isn't the argument for him winning.
Click to expand...
Lol, going back 3 years to quote a post saying I wouldn’t trade Kaprizov, Fiala, Rossi and Dumba for Eichel isn’t a dunk. Kaps points this season are a product of his usage, he is not playing anywhere near even his rookie level due to injury.

Whatever the quotes about 1.01 you attributed to me are not something that I said, you might have me confused. I also have said repeatedly and often that I don’t think he will win the Calder. Again I think you are confusing me with others.

Fabers environment is absolutely part of the picture like it is for every candidate, go have fun looking at the Wild D pairing performance if you want. Middleton-Mermis pairing vs Middleton-Faber. You can see what kind of an impact he has had.
 
Obvious Fabertism said:
Lol, going back 3 years to quote a post saying I wouldn’t trade Kaprizov, Fiala, Rossi and Dumba for Eichel isn’t a dunk. Kaps points this season are a product of his usage, he is not playing anywhere near even his rookie level due to injury.

Whatever the quotes about 1.01 you attributed to me are not something that I said, you might have me confused. I also have said repeatedly and often that I don’t think he will win the Calder. Again I think you are confusing me with others.

Fabers environment is absolutely part of the picture like it is for every candidate, go have fun looking at the Wild D pairing performance if you want. Middleton-Mermis pairing vs Middleton-Faber. You can see what kind of an impact he has had.
Click to expand...
I'm not talking about why you posted it, I'm just showing that you love the player when its that argument, but now the player is a product of his usage in another argument.

Also if you like Dom's model, Dom's model also loves Kaprizov, and Spurgeon, and JEE, and Boldy, and Brodin, and Zuc.
 
Craig Ludwig said:
Although many of the toxic Minny fans here would never admit it, I guarantee you that if they had the choice between Faber and Bedard, they would all take Bedard, no contest. Faber is fantastic, but please be real.
Click to expand...

Great example of a straw man argument.

Nobody is claiming that they would rather have Faber over Bedard...and no Wild fan that I can see is saying that Bedard won't win the Calder. The discussion is about which player is having a more impactful season THIS season. That's the debate.
 
  • Like
Reactions: majormajor and WhiskeyYerTheDevils
TLEH said:
I'm not talking about why you posted it, I'm just showing that you love the player when its that argument, but now the player is a product of his usage in another argument.

Also if you like Dom's model, Dom's model also loves Kaprizov, and Spurgeon, and JEE, and Boldy, and Brodin, and Zuc.
Click to expand...
My post you went that far back for says nothing at all about Kaprizov’s usage and barely even comments on his play at all, I am just confused about what the point or relevancy you are drawing from that to the 2024 Calder trophy. It was a denial of a shitty trade proposal.

Doms model does like them and I like them too, they each play winning hockey individually in my eyes. Literally all of the guys you posted about are generally good players. But literally all of them but JEE have been out with injuries this season.
 
I cannot believe this argument is still going on... :laugh:

The hockey writers will choose, then, a year from now, hardly anyone will remember who won this silly award.
 
ORRFForever said:
I cannot believe this argument is still going on... :laugh:

The hockey writers will choose, then, a year from now, hardly anyone will remember who won this silly award.
Click to expand...
meh

sometimes if these players get to the highest of highs this does impact the overall "legacy"

It is mentioned in individual awards when talking about hall of fame or being a great.
 
Barrett Jackman won the award beating out Zetterberg and Nash, there's still hope for Faber.
 
Barring injury Bedard is a lock to win this. He's a generational player with a fantastic skill set that puts asses in opposition arena seats. Nobody else, in the current crop of Calder candidates, does this.
 
Mr Bill Waters said:
Hf sleeping on Knies...hahaha...never change
Click to expand...
Are you missing a :sarcasm: ??

He's not even top 10 in scoring. He'd have to maintain a PPG for the rest of the season to have a chance. Things can change quickly, but currently Faber has a much better case than knies.. who has better numbers on a far worse team.
 
Hockey Know it all said:
You can be serious? Spurgeon is literally almost ten years older than Necas. That’s an absolutely asinine take and 1 I bet no one else does.
Click to expand...

Gosh I wish I'd have specified that it's for one year, not the future.
 
Remove the fact that they’re rookies. Remove the draft status and preseason hype. Just loook at the players for what they are and what they bring to the team. I’d take Bedard over Faber pretty easily just based on play alone, and I love Faber. I want Faber to get the recognition he deserves and I think that he is. The trophy is Bedards to lose and I think Faber will be a strong second.
 
RossiSaveUs said:
Remove the fact that they’re rookies. Remove the draft status and preseason hype. Just loook at the players for what they are and what they bring to the team. I’d take Bedard over Faber pretty easily just based on play alone, and I love Faber. I want Faber to get the recognition he deserves and I think that he is. The trophy is Bedards to lose and I think Faber will be a strong second.
Click to expand...
Faber is playimg a game similar to what true top defenceman do, control pace, carry and move the pucl, engaged in everything - i mean you would need to be blind to watch minnesota and not see that everythimg either goes through faber or he is involved in everything

Fantastic young defenceman with all tools.. dont worry about recognition just know you have true play driver for the next 10 years
 
  • Like
Reactions: Obvious Fabertism
Rubi said:
You need to get out more and expand your social circle. Your ordinary hockey fan who primarily just knows the players on his favorite team has never heard of Faber. Tons more fans have heard of Bedard. The ones who know about Faber are in the tiny minority.
Click to expand...
That’s because the media crams him down everyone’s throat. Not because he’s that stupid good (yet).
ello said:
As a Hawks fan, Faber is a stud and worth discussing about competing with Bedard for the Calder. However the mental gymnastics on the part of Wild fans to not give Bedard any credit for being almost a ppg on that garbage roster is so embarrassing to read.

I dont understand why HF has to be so toxic
Click to expand...
This is so far from reality. Why do Hawks fans bring a victim complex to this discussion? It’s both hilarious and extremely sad.
 
CBJx614 said:
Are you missing a :sarcasm: ??

He's not even top 10 in scoring. He'd have to maintain a PPG for the rest of the season to have a chance. Things can change quickly, but currently Faber has a much better case than knies.. who has better numbers on a far worse team.
Click to expand...

I mean being on a worse team generally helps rookies...

Faber is playing 24 mins a night which is 1st pairing numbers and Knies is playing 14 mins a night which I am assuming is 3rd line numbers.

Knies 36th in TOI/GP.

Not saying anyone is better than anyone else, just that the strength of the team works against rookies sometimes too.
 
TLEH said:
I can read. I read what you typed. I didn't use any strong language or insult you. I simply pointed out that disparaging Kaprizov and Boldy to prop up Faber is straight comical. Those two players, as well as guys like JEE, have more than built their reputation in this league over more than a 30 game sample size, and that sample size that includes largely underperforming goaltending doesn't mean they suck.

On the bolded, you can "imagine", to use your words, that all 1.01 are on underperforming teams, but people who do data analysis for a living have shown that he is in the most difficult situation for 1.01 players in the past 13 years.

View attachment 787849
Click to expand...

Got it, Connor Bedard = Nail Yakupov
 
ORRFForever said:
I cannot believe this argument is still going on... :laugh:

The hockey writers will choose, then, a year from now, hardly anyone will remember who won this silly award.
Click to expand...
You new here? Its the same thread every year. Fans claim "Player A" is a lock, other fans chime in and say "not so fast".
 
  • Like
Reactions: Obvious Fabertism
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom