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The Race for the Calder Trophy
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Definitely. I don’t agree on a base level, so I’m curious what your definition might be to help explain. To me, Bedard is quite easily more impactful for his team.
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Not only that but Bedard is the very definition of a Rookie...
* 18 years of age - unlike many of the other players who are 20+,
* Bedard's very first year of NHL play,
* Plays for last year's worst team.
He also has the most points - by a country mile. Unless he gets hurt or slows dramatically, this won't be close.
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More productive. More valuable. If you took them out of the lineup, which team would suffer more. If the teams swapped those two players, which team would benefit more?
Exactly. It won’t be close, nor should it be.
You need to get out more and expand your social circle. Your ordinary hockey fan who primarily just knows the players on his favorite team has never heard of Faber. Tons more fans have heard of Bedard. The ones who know about Faber are in the tiny minority.
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Obvious Fabertism
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I think you might want to consider additional perspectives than your own canadian media experience. I live in MN, Faber is a Minnesotan, I work with Minnesotans and people across the US, nothing that I said was really laughable or incorrect, it is just an experience different from your own. I expect that more people where you are and in the world as a whole have heard of Bedard, but Faber in MN is a pretty hot topic right now for even non-hockey fans, at least in my personal interactions, and that is all that I said so I am not sure what is controversial about that.
As a Hawks fan, Faber is a stud and worth discussing about competing with Bedard for the Calder. However the mental gymnastics on the part of Wild fans to not give Bedard any credit for being almost a ppg on that garbage roster is so embarrassing to read.
I dont understand why HF has to be so toxic
I dont understand why HF has to be so toxic
Believe it or not, Minnesota fans quite indeed are a minority population of hockey fans. Nothing he said is wrong, and nothing you said is entirely wrong per se. Minnesota’s population are probably indeed excited about Faber, and Minnesota hockey fans make up a minescule percentage of hockey fans in North America. Both are true
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Hawks are literally tied for the last place in the league, it's not like removing Bedard would have much impact there.
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C'mon, give blackhawks fans their silver lining and at least the calder award, what else do they have to be happy about this season if not bedard?
That being said I do think that Faber should be a calder-finalist. Faber won't win it because points & offense seem to matter the most regarding the calder award (thats unfair imo but i don't make the rules - hockey is more than just offense & points). But I think Farber is the Rookie with the most positive impact to his team because he plays 30 minutes a night, shutting down the opponents top guys and still manages it to be on pace for 40 points as a defenseman. That are the numbers of a true #1D and you hardly ever see the mature & responsible game Faber already plays on a Rookie-Defenseman.
That being said I do think that Faber should be a calder-finalist. Faber won't win it because points & offense seem to matter the most regarding the calder award (thats unfair imo but i don't make the rules - hockey is more than just offense & points). But I think Farber is the Rookie with the most positive impact to his team because he plays 30 minutes a night, shutting down the opponents top guys and still manages it to be on pace for 40 points as a defenseman. That are the numbers of a true #1D and you hardly ever see the mature & responsible game Faber already plays on a Rookie-Defenseman.
And if they didn't have Bedard they wouldn't even be close to being tied to last. That team has been stripped with the purpose of tanking, it's going to take years to build that team back up after bottoming out two years in a row.
Everyone keeps saying he's playing 30 minutes, he's only played 5 games around that TOI, he's averaging 24, which is average for a 1D across the league.
Bedard is averaging 19+, which is average for a 1C across the league
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I think it’s fine to want Brock to get his flowers. He’s a great player.
But don’t lie and bash other players to do it because your argument is disingenuous. How could you ever decide if an 18 year old can play “winning” hockey on a team that currently is playing 4 AHL defenders.
It’s just interesting to see the mental gymnastics because now Kaprizov sucks so that Faber can be propped up better. Boldy suck now too?
But don’t lie and bash other players to do it because your argument is disingenuous. How could you ever decide if an 18 year old can play “winning” hockey on a team that currently is playing 4 AHL defenders.
It’s just interesting to see the mental gymnastics because now Kaprizov sucks so that Faber can be propped up better. Boldy suck now too?
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Your middle paragraph, how can you judge this as bedards trophy and not worth discussing anyone else if 18 year olds with 4 AHL defenseman cant be read. He’s not a unicorn, players are on bad teams all the time, you just have to watch what that player is doing in his individual play and matchups.
Boldy is one of the players called out by both his GM and Coach for poor performance this year and he was injured for a decent stretch, it’s like you people pick the literal worst arguing points.
Bedard is good boys. Faber is good also.
The end.
The end.
TLEH
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So he sucks now too so Faber can be better. JEE sucks now too. Zuc is old and washed. Hartman can’t play. Rossi sucks.
Also, yes it is hard to truly decide if a player is capable of playing “winning hockey” in their 20s because of an 18 year old season playing with legit AHLers.
I watch plenty of games, not just all of ours. The stats people say he is on the worst team and getting the hardest matchups of the past 10 1st OA. So are the stats guys full of shit too?
I'm not even arguing anything. More poking holes in your insane logic. I like Faber. If he wins that fine. I get the argument. Arguing that the Wild's other players are somehow ALSO shitty because Bedard has the worst teammates with the toughest deployment in the last 10 years for a 1 OA is just insane mental gymnastics. The Wild have a decent roster with some high end talent.
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they built the roster to try and lose. the wild have 3 more wins lol
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You should read the words that I type, I don’t think you grasp my meaning very well based on this response. Saying you aren’t arguing while putting words in my mouth and using strong language is just poor faith. It’s very clear that you don’t have any kind of understanding of the Wild roster or their current situation, I don’t truly expect you to, but then maybe you shouldn’t be speaking on it so firmly. I have always said the teammate argument is pointless and the “what ifs” are also useless to discuss, I am not going to argue against individuals imaginations of what a player could be rather than what he is, I only brought it up as a counterpoint to anyone thinking Bedard is the only one on an island. Pretty much all the top rookies this year are on underperforming teams.
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This is true, however there is only 1 rookie who leads his team in points (by 11) and that's Bedard. Fantilli is 4th, Rossi is 4th, Faber is 8th, Mintyukov is 6th, Cooley is 7th...
They aren't solely relying on those rookies for their offense.
TLEH
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I can read. I read what you typed. I didn't use any strong language or insult you. I simply pointed out that disparaging Kaprizov and Boldy to prop up Faber is straight comical. Those two players, as well as guys like JEE, have more than built their reputation in this league over more than a 30 game sample size, and that sample size that includes largely underperforming goaltending doesn't mean they suck.
On the bolded, you can "imagine", to use your words, that all 1.01 are on underperforming teams, but people who do data analysis for a living have shown that he is in the most difficult situation for 1.01 players in the past 13 years.
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