OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[Factorial]

How is that even possible? This is the most insane dissection of a player I can remember. Usually the top prospects are way over analyzed, but this is next level.

In what position is the hand when it's measured?

If it's an extended hand he could have worked on that since the last time.

 

[T1K]

If the argument is who’s in a better situation/system, then it’s Lamar. If it’s who’s a better QB, it’s Trubisky.

I don’t know if Tomlin and Canada are good enough to get the best out of Trubisky. Remains to be seen, but like I’ve already said, I’m skeptical.

But I would bet on Mitch having his best statistical season just by virtue of having better skill position talent to work with than he did in Chicago.

Using statistics, support your claim that Trubisky is a better QB than Lamar. I’ll wait…

 

[T1K]

I’ve been reading good things about two mid round receivers: Skyy Moore and Christian Watson. Moore was really productive playing in the MAC. Watson played at NDST, but he’s a physical freak.

Skyy Moore Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

Christian Watson Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

Justyn Ross from Clemson could be a steal later in the draft, but there’s some serious doubts about his health.

 

[DanielPlainview]

Using statistics, support your claim that Trubisky is a better QB than Lamar. I’ll wait…

I’ve explained my position already. It doesn’t rely heavily on statistical analysis, but situational. I know why you want stats and it’s shallow

 

[T1K]

I’ve explained my position already. It doesn’t rely heavily on statistical analysis, but situational. I know why you want stats and it’s shallow

“Doesn’t rely on heavy statistical analysis”. Sorry I’m not gonna just take your word that Trubisky is a better QB than a former MVP.

What is shallow about asking for supporting facts to back your claim that a bridge QB is better than a former MVP?

 

[DanielPlainview]

Do you consider Carson Wentz elite and worthy of an MVP award?

People clinging the award have a weak argument. People clinging to his athleticism have a weak argument. People clinging to stats aren’t wanting to look deeper. A quarterback’s primary job is to throw the ball, and Lamar is subpar. The Ravens did a great job surrounding him with a system that didn’t require him to really be a pro QB. But it’s failing. Last year burst the bubble.

 

[Coastal Kev]

“Doesn’t rely on heavy statistical analysis”. Sorry I’m not gonna just take your word that Trubisky is a better QB than a former MVP.

What is shallow about asking for supporting facts to back your claim that a bridge QB is better than a former MVP?

The hope is that Trubisky has grown by sitting in Buffalo. It always is a huge red flag for me when I hear that a QB has any kind of accuracy issues. If Trubisky can't push the ball down the field, he probably won't last the entire season as the starting qb.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Do you consider Carson Wentz elite and worthy of an MVP award?

People clinging the award have a weak argument. People clinging to his athleticism have a weak argument. People clinging to stats aren’t wanting to look deeper. A quarterback’s primary job is to throw the ball, and Lamar is subpar. The Ravens did a great job surrounding him with a system that didn’t require him to really be a pro QB. But it’s failing. Last year burst the bubble.

I have seen Carson with no name Wr and RB beat teams. With the Eagles and Colts combined he had 1 number 2 Wr in Pittman. He outplayed Dak a few times in must win games. I have seen Carson make plays a young Ben made.
Lamar completes 65 percent of his passes but can’t throw Mitch completes 67 and can

 

[T1K]

Do you consider Carson Wentz elite and worthy of an MVP award?

People clinging the award have a weak argument. People clinging to his athleticism have a weak argument. People clinging to stats aren’t wanting to look deeper. A quarterback’s primary job is to throw the ball, and Lamar is subpar. The Ravens did a great job surrounding him with a system that didn’t require him to really be a pro QB. But it’s failing. Last year burst the bubble.

We’re discussing Lamar, not Wentz. Bringing up Wentz is a classic straw man argument and I’m not gonna talk in circles with you. He also never won MVP so it further diminishes your point.

People “clinging” to stats and awards do not have weak arguments. It’s a silly stance you’re trying to take and can’t support. The quarterback position has changed, teams want athletic QBs over statues. It’s exactly why the 49ers traded up for Trey Lance last year. Your idea of a “pro QB” is a very boomer take and not really representative of what teams are looking for.

How are the Ravens failing? Their team was decimated with injuries last year.

 

[T1K]

The hope is that Trubisky has grown by sitting in Buffalo. It always is a huge red flag for me when I hear that a QB has any kind of accuracy issues. If Trubisky can't push the ball down the field, he probably won't last the entire season as the starting qb.

I’m hopeful he can bounce back here. His athleticism is really intriguing. His unwillingness to throw downfield is a major red flag, but Buffalo took a very raw Josh Allen and helped him realize his potential so anything is possible. Overall I’m happy with the signing. It allows us to still draft a QB if we wanna go that route, but we aren’t forced to.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I’ve been reading good things about two mid round receivers: Skyy Moore and Christian Watson. Moore was really productive playing in the MAC. Watson played at NDST, but he’s a physical freak.

Skyy Moore Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

Christian Watson Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

Justyn Ross from Clemson could be a steal later in the draft, but there’s some serious doubts about his health.

I'm not sure what you mean by mid round but after Skyy Moore's combine I can see him being chosen in the high 2nd. He was my sleeper Steelers MAC WR pick but he has shot up draft boards after his combine performance.

 

[T1K]

I'm not sure what you mean by mid round but after Skyy Moore's combine I can see him being chosen in the high 2nd. He was my sleeper Steelers MAC WR pick but he has shot up draft boards after his combine performance.

Yeah, I should’ve said Day 2 picks to be more specific. There’s so many good receivers in this class. The mocks I’ve seen have all been very fluid.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Yeah, I should’ve said Day 2 picks to be more specific. There’s so many good receivers in this class. The mocks I’ve seen have all been very fluid.

If it's 1 thing the Steelers have done well, it's draft WRs this past decade plus

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

If it's 1 thing the Steelers have done well, it's draft WRs this past decade plus

One reason why I wouldn't want them to take one in the first round this year. I suspect they'll take one in round 2-4 somewhere.

 

[TimmyD]

We’re discussing Lamar, not Wentz. Bringing up Wentz is a classic straw man argument and I’m not gonna talk in circles with you. He also never won MVP so it further diminishes your point.

People “clinging” to stats and awards do not have weak arguments. It’s a silly stance you’re trying to take and can’t support. The quarterback position has changed, teams want athletic QBs over statues. It’s exactly why the 49ers traded up for Trey Lance last year. Your idea of a “pro QB” is a very boomer take and not really representative of what teams are looking for.

How are the Ravens failing? Their team was decimated with injuries last year.

Just to be clear the Niners traded up to draft Jones. They caved to taking Lance at the last minute because pretty much everyone thought it was stupid to trade up and give up the ransom they did to take Jones

 

[DanielPlainview]

We’re discussing Lamar, not Wentz. Bringing up Wentz is a classic straw man argument and I’m not gonna talk in circles with you. He also never won MVP so it further diminishes your point.

People “clinging” to stats and awards do not have weak arguments. It’s a silly stance you’re trying to take and can’t support. The quarterback position has changed, teams want athletic QBs over statues. It’s exactly why the 49ers traded up for Trey Lance last year. Your idea of a “pro QB” is a very boomer take and not really representative of what teams are looking for.

How are the Ravens failing? Their team was decimated with injuries last year.

No, it’s not a straw man. If you look at Wentz’s numbers you have to concede he should get MVP consideration if Lamar is a legit MVP QB. Deflection on your part tells us you’re not even close to arguing in good faith.

I love how people think mobile QBs are something new. It’s actually hilarious. They’ve always been around, and since the beginning it’s the QBs who can throw the ball that last. It has nothing to do with anyone being a “boomer” (I’m a millennial) - another attempt at deflection and evidence of bad faith.

If you think injuries accounted for Lamar having a 16 TD, 13 INT season then there’s really nothing to discuss. You’re not even trying to be honest

 

[T1K]

Just to be clear the Niners traded up to draft Jones. They caved to taking Lance at the last minute because pretty much everyone thought it was stupid to trade up and give up the ransom they did to take Jones

Lol ok, let’s stick to facts.

 

[TimmyD]

Lol ok, let’s stick to facts.

I am. Just because you don’t like them or they don’t support your argument doesn’t mean they aren’t facts

 

[bigdaddyk88]

One reason why I wouldn't want them to take one in the first round this year. I suspect they'll take one in round 2-4 somewhere.

They have to take 2 this draft

 

[T1K]

No, it’s not a straw man. If you look at Wentz’s numbers you have to concede he should get MVP consideration if Lamar is a legit MVP QB. Deflection on your part tells us you’re not even close to arguing in good faith.

I love how people think mobile QBs are something new. It’s actually hilarious. They’ve always been around, and since the beginning it’s the QBs who can throw the ball that last. It has nothing to do with anyone being a “boomer” (I’m a millennial) - another attempt at deflection and evidence of bad faith.

If you think injuries accounted for Lamar having a 16 TD, 13 INT season then there’s really nothing to discuss. You’re not even trying to be honest

I find it funny you’re saying I’m arguing in bad faith when you’ve provided nothing to support your statement about how Mitch Trubisky is a better QB than Lamar Jackson. You bring up Wentz like it’s some kind of trump card, but has nothing to do with what we’re discussing.

 

[T1K]

I am. Just because you don’t like them or they don’t support your argument doesn’t mean they aren’t facts

They traded up and drafted Lance. That’s a fact. How is this an argument?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Lol ok, let’s stick to facts.

There’s a strong list of people who believe they traded up for Jones but fell in love with Lance. Jones himself felt he was going 3rd to San Francisco

 

[T1K]

There’s a strong list of people who believe they traded up for Jones but fell in love with Lance. Jones himself felt he was going 3rd to San Francisco

I’m aware of the rumor, however that doesn’t change what actually happened.

I feel like I’m talking to flat-earthers.

 

[TimmyD]

They traded up and drafted Lance. That’s a fact. How is this an argument?

Yeah that’s what happened. That doesn’t mean it was the plan. They planned on drafting Jones. People from the team even told them during his interview he was their target. Then everyone was publicly tearing them a new one because no one thought Jones was worthy of a top 3 pick let alone a team giving up what they did to move into that spot. They felt the heat and changed their minds because of it

 

[TimmyD]

I’m aware of the rumor, however that doesn’t change what actually happened.

I feel like I’m talking to flat-earthers.

The Earth is definitely round. Don’t lump me in with those whack jobs lol