OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[DanielPlainview]

Robinson has 3 seasons over 1000 yards his 2019 and 2020 season are better than the entire career Brown so far who is Mike Wallace a one trick phony
The packers win the division every year the Vikings have made the playoffs 1 time since he was drafted and 3 times since 2013 lions lol so I guess in your mind Bmore is Chicago Steelers are Green Bay Minnesota is Cleveland

Robinson has been inconsistent his whole career. He's good, not great or anything. Brown is right there with him.

Yeah. Playing the Steelers, Browns, and Bengals was the same as playing the Packers, Vikings, and Lions. Because we’re comparing the QB of the Bears to the QB of the Ravens.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

We are the Calgary Flames of the NFL.

Ben was great, and I'm by no means saying we weren't a better team with him, but the breath of fresh air may be a good thing for this locker room. We also now have a legit NFL head coach on staff, which Tomlin has never had.

Dick Lebeau and Bruce Arians say hello

 

[Night Shift]

Dick Lebeau and Bruce Arians say hello

Yeah I was laughing at that quote but decided to stay quiet.

Flores has never even been a coordinator in this league so....no.. Lol

 

[pistolpete11]

I think Jackson and Trubisky are probably similar level of passers, but that says more about how much I believe in Jackson's MVP season than it does what I'm expecting out of Trubisky. But when you factor in that Jackson is also a 1,000 yard rusher, I'd definitely rather have Jackson at QB.

I've seen a few ESPN-types saying that Trubisky makes the Steelers a contender in the AFC. I assume they are factoring in all the other moves they have made/can still make, but still, kind of strange.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Juju to the Chiefs. Very classy statement from him about Pittsburgh and Steelers fans on the way out. I think KC is a good fit for him. He killed it early in his career when he had AB to pull coverage away from him and he'll have that in KC with Hill. He was really miscast here as a #1WR after AB left. I wish him well.

It'll be interesting to see where Baker winds up. I know it won't happen but it would be hilarious if he tried to force a trade here to Pittsburgh.

The Watson thing is huge though. It's frustrating since the division was already hard enough. Also the fact I think the Steelers could have landed him themselves with Flores and Tomlin here but they didn't want to for numerous reasons.

I wish Juju success with his Tik Toking in Kansas City

 

[JTG]

Dick Lebeau and Bruce Arians say hello

Dick Lebeau wasn't a head coach caliber guy when he was here. He has a 12-33 record as a head coach. He was a top notch coordinator.

Arians was ran out of town and he was never a HC before Pittsburgh.

 

[TimmyD]

Yeah I was laughing at that quote but decided to stay quiet.

Flores has never even been a coordinator in this league so....no.. Lol

Are you saying Brian Flores has never been a coordinator in the NFL? Like when he was the defensive coordinator in New England

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Dick Lebeau wasn't a head coach caliber guy when he was here. He was a top notch coordinator.

Arians was ran out of town.

Except he was a HC in this league

 

[JTG]

Except he was a HC in this league

He wasn't before he was in Pittsburgh.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

He wasn't before he was in Pittsburgh.

You should really check your facts

Pittsburgh Steelers[edit]​

LeBeau was hired by the Pittsburgh Steelers in 1992 as the secondary coach. In 1994, four defensive players were called to play in the 1995 Pro Bowl (Kevin Greene, Carnell Lake, Greg Lloyd and Rod Woodson). As a secondary coach LeBeau strongly influenced Lake and Woodson.

In 1995, LeBeau was promoted to be the defensive coordinator and the 1995 Pittsburgh defense ranked third in the league in total yards allowed after they had finished as the second-ranked defense in 1994 in that same category, so the drop off was minimal with LeBeau at the helm. They did allow 327 points in 1995 as opposed to 234 the year before when the Steelers defense was coordinated by Dom Capers, but they got to the Super Bowl in 1995 with a much-improved offense. Pro Bowl linebacker Kevin Greene led the team in sacks with nine, while Pro Bowl linebacker Greg Lloyd led the team in tackles with 86. The secondary was led by Pro Bowl defensive backs Carnell Lake and Hall of Famer Rod Woodson. The Steelers lost to the Dallas Cowboys in Super Bowl XXX, making it the third Super Bowl loss for him.

Cincinnati Bengals (second stint)[edit]​

In 1997, LeBeau returned to the Bengals as defensive coordinator. The defense was ranked 25th in 1996, and in his first year back they dropped to 28th and allowed just over 400 points. In 1998 they remained 28th in the NFL (of 30 teams) and allowed 452 points. In 1999 the zone blitz scheme began to take hold and although the Bengals defense allowed 460 points, they improved to 25th in the NFL (out of 31 teams).

Head coach[edit]​

LeBeau was named interim head coach for the Bengals in 2000 following head coach Bruce Coslet's resignation during the 2000 season. Following the season, he was named permanent head coach.

Despite LeBeau's considerable defensive coaching talent, his offenses were not nearly as successful as head coach, and his teams finished 4–9, 6–10, and 2–14, respectively, in his three seasons. LeBeau's overall record as a head coach was 12–33. He was fired after the 2002 season.

Buffalo Bills[edit]​

Shortly after being fired by the Bengals, LeBeau was named the Buffalo Bills's assistant head coach.

Pittsburgh Steelers (second stint)[edit]​

LeBeau returned to the Steelers in 2004 as their defensive coordinator. He was the Steelers defensive coordinator until 2014. During this time frame, LeBeau coached the Steelers to three Super Bowl appearances, winning two. He was named "Coordinator of the year" by the Sporting News for the 2008 season.[9] On January 10, 2015, LeBeau resigned as defensive coordinator of the Steelers.[10]

 

[OnMyOwn]

He was talking about Arians not being a HC before us. Not Lebeau. He mentioned Lebeaus record already.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I think Jackson and Trubisky are probably similar level of passers, but that says more about how much I believe in Jackson's MVP season than it does what I'm expecting out of Trubisky. But when you factor in that Jackson is also a 1,000 yard rusher, I'd definitely rather have Jackson at QB.

I've seen a few ESPN-types saying that Trubisky makes the Steelers a contender in the AFC. I assume they are factoring in all the other moves they have made/can still make, but still, kind of strange.

Contender for the playoffs yes contender for the division title not winning a Super Bowl

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I wish Juju success with his Tik Toking in Kansas City

I don’t even care about his tick tock a lot of the new college athletes with the new NIL are paid social media influencers. If he is healthy he will have 10 tds and 1200 yards

 

[Night Shift]

Are you saying Brian Flores has never been a coordinator in the NFL? Like when he was the defensive coordinator in New England

Defensive assistant isn't a coordinator and wow he called a couple of plays. Whooptie doo.Even Clown has more experience as a coordinator.

But I'm not knocking him as a positional coach. The signing was good in that respect. He's not a savior.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

He was talking about Arians not being a HC before us. Not Lebeau. He mentioned Lebeaus record already.

Sorry I overlooked that.

Yet Arians was a successful HC when he left. So he got smarter? His posit makes little sense.

 

[Night Shift]

Sorry I overlooked that.

Yet Arians was a successful HC when he left. So he got smarter? His posit makes little sense.

I always liked Arians when he was here. The only thing I didn't like about his offense was not using a FB. Other than that, no complaints.

 

[JTG]

Sorry I overlooked that.

Yet Arians was a successful HC when he left. So he got smarter? His posit makes little sense.

No but Arians wasn't a HC hired by the team to work under Tomlin. He was never a HC before. You're trying to use hindsight, but at the time Arians was a relative nobody until he left here and found success.

 

[JTG]

Defensive assistant isn't a coordinator and wow he called a couple of plays. Whooptie doo.Even Clown has more experience as a coordinator.

But I'm not knocking him as a positional coach. The signing was good in that respect. He's not a savior.

But he's also drastically better than any coach we have ever hired in Mike Tomlin's tenure.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

No but Arians wasn't a HC hired by the team to work under Tomlin. He was never a HC before. You're trying to use hindsight, but at the time Arians was a relative nobody until he left here and found success.

I wouldn’t call Arians a nobody prior to his tenure in Pittsburgh but that’s neither here nor there.

I’m trying to understand that you’re using have my a former NFL head coach on staff as some sort of measuring stick? Have we applied this to other staffs around the league? I don’t understand why this is a thing.

 

[Night Shift]

But he's also drastically better than any coach we have ever hired in Mike Tomlin's tenure.

Hired yes.. I agree with that

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

In important QB news, Kenny Pickett's hand measured larger at his pro day than at the combine. #handgate

 

[Night Shift]

Neither Clown nor Flores developed as coordinators. They both did it one year (though Flores wasn't given that title) they really did not earn to be given jobs as Head Coaches. I don't think you can really learn to be a Head Coach without more years experience as a coordinator. That has been my biggest gripe. 3-5 years coordinator, you do a good job then it is earned.

 

[JTG]

I wouldn’t call Arians a nobody prior to his tenure in Pittsburgh but that’s neither here nor there.

I’m trying to understand that you’re using have my a former NFL head coach on staff as some sort of measuring stick? Have we applied this to other staffs around the league? I don’t understand why this is a thing.

It's grown legs into something it was never intended to be.

My point was that bringing Flores in is the first type of investment in the coaching staff that brought someone in who has earned some chops outside of the organization. It wasn't an Arians (who was already here), or Lebeau (who was already here), or Butler (who was already here). I'd imagine Flores is defensive coordinator next year here, or even somewhere else. Aside from the roster, and investment in coaching staff is something I think a lot of us felt the Steelers needed to do, and Flores is that, in my opinion. He also is the first guy on staff that I can remember that could turn the heat up on Tomlin's seat if the team struggles.

 

[JTG]

In important QB news, Kenny Pickett's hand measured larger at his pro day than at the combine. #handgate

How is that even possible? This is the most insane dissection of a player I can remember. Usually the top prospects are way over analyzed, but this is next level.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

It's grown legs into something it was never intended to be.

My point was that bringing Flores in is the first type of investment in the coaching staff that brought someone in who has earned some chops outside of the organization. It wasn't an Arians (who was already here), or Lebeau (who was already here), or Butler (who was already here). I'd imagine Flores is defensive coordinator next year here, or even somewhere else. Aside from the roster, and investment in coaching staff is something I think a lot of us felt the Steelers needed to do, and Flores is that, in my opinion. He also is the first guy on staff that I can remember that could turn the heat up on Tomlin's seat if the team struggles.

Understood and at the risk of belaboring the point, Haley had been a head coach in the league when he was named OC. Sure, his results were mixed and he’d just been fired, but that sounds kinda familiar in a discussion about Flores. I know Haley is diminished historically but in 2012 he was pretty much the same as Flores.