OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[DanielPlainview]

lol he played with Allen Robinson and who else? A one year wonder munchkin RB? Washed up Jimmy Graham?

 

[ChaosAgent]

Yes he is lol tell me Lamar puts up better numbers under Nagy in Chicago

You're out to lunch here. I watched Mitch plenty in Chicago. He isn't great but at $7M and with a rebuilt OL he doesn't need to be. I'm still very pleased with the addition.

 

[DanielPlainview]

Lol absolutely not. Lamar is a total hype product and a system QB. If he was drafted to Chicago he’d be Geno Smith

 

[ChaosAgent]

Lol absolutely not. Lamar is a total hype product and a system QB. If he was drafted to Chicago he’d be Geno Smith

okay but he wasn't and thus he has succeeded?

Like if Steve Jobs was a middle manager at Microsoft he wouldn't have made Apple. And if he had some sort of fresh start after 6 years of being a middle manager at Microsoft he wouldn't have made Apple either.

If you feel so strongly about Trubisky outperforming Jackson this year, there is probably some metric you can bet (QBR or whatever) and get ridiculously good odds if you do. Could make a lot of money if you follow your hot take to its logical end-point.

 

[DanielPlainview]

If the argument is who’s in a better situation/system, then it’s Lamar. If it’s who’s a better QB, it’s Trubisky.

I don’t know if Tomlin and Canada are good enough to get the best out of Trubisky. Remains to be seen, but like I’ve already said, I’m skeptical.

But I would bet on Mitch having his best statistical season just by virtue of having better skill position talent to work with than he did in Chicago.

 

[ChaosAgent]

If the argument is who’s in a better situation/system, then it’s Lamar. If it’s who’s a better QB, it’s Trubisky.

I don’t know if Tomlin and Canada are good enough to get the best out of Trubisky. Remains to be seen, but like I’ve already said, I’m skeptical.

But I would bet on Mitch having his best statistical season just by virtue of having better skill position talent to work with than he did in Chicago.

Matt Canada definitely sucks. I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

2018 Chicago was pretty loaded and Nagy came in and got a lot out of him initially. Chicago paid big money for Robinson to give him a #1 WR and Tarik Cohen was a great receiving back. Before he was universally derided Nagy was universally loved and considered an offensive genius from the Andy Reid tree.

If Trubisky performs at his 2018 levels and we plug some defensive holes we are 100% making the playoffs this year.

 

[DanielPlainview]

I wouldn’t say 2018 was loaded. Jordan Howard was his primary RB. Cohen had a big year receiving but it’s kind of telling that their second leading receiver was their scatback. Najee, DJ, Claypool, ‘muth, and probably a good rookie WR will be more than he’s ever had to work with.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I wouldn’t say 2018 was loaded. Jordan Howard was his primary RB. Cohen had a big year receiving but it’s kind of telling that their second leading receiver was their scatback. Najee, DJ, Claypool, ‘muth, and probably a good rookie WR will be more than he’s ever had to work with.

Those players also didn't put up big numbers because they were quarterbacked by 2nd year guy Mitch Trubisky, in his second year starting at any level above high school.

Look man, I followed the Bears pretty closely then so I think I had a pretty good pulse on things. Trubisky can make plays if you get receivers open for him and he is more athletic than the majority of NFL starting QBs (which at this point is pretty difficult to achieve!) I don't view him as a star QB in the making at all but he has a far higher chance of being a functional starter than Rudolph and it's hard to not like the team's other moves - Daniels and Jack especially - to make the rest of the roster better.

 

[DanielPlainview]

What guys? Taylor Gabriel? Trey Burton?

I don’t see Trubisky as a “star” either but I do think he’s underrated and will probably shock the NFL a bit next season

 

[DanielPlainview]

I hadn’t really paid much attention to the WR class this year until recently. I’m starting to think the Steelers should grab the Christian Watson kid from NDSU. I really don’t see much wrong with his game. Strong hands, runs good routes, and seems to play with a good football IQ. Oh and he’s 6’4” with a 4.36 40 and a hell of a burst. The only real knock of him is his weight. He’s like 210. But that’s not really something I’d worry too much about

 

[wheelz87]

Really like Watson myself

 

[DanielPlainview]

He looks like a really high ceiling guy that would flourish as a rookie lined up with DJ and Claypool. The issue as far as drafting him is his value kind of falls between the Steelers’ first and second round picks. I could see him ending up in SF with Lance or GB

 

[TooManyHumans]

The idea that Trubisky is better than Jackson is insane. Jackson is better across the board if you look at solely his passing numbers. Then add on that while Mitch can move Lamar is an elite playmaker with his feet and it simply is not close, at least to this point of their careers. I really don't get the fascination with running Jackson down. I get it that eventually he might lost his mobility and then he is most likely toast, but while he still has it he is a really good QB, even if it looks different than what we are used to seeing.

 

[DanielPlainview]

Trubisky’s best year was as good as Lamar’s with less talent around him and poorer coaching. Thinking Lamar is better is 100% buying into hype

 

[JTG]

I really think people under estimate Trubisky. The crazy thing about him is he has actually produced as a pro, but he still has these staunch doubters. This team is becoming much more likable, in my opinion. Very interested to see how this draft works out.

 

[xlm34]

Man not playing for a year really did wonders for Trubisky's rep. I think he'll be better than what we saw from Ben in 2021 but it's still going to most likely be pretty ugly.

 

[TooManyHumans]

Compare the number between Trubisky and Jackson and let me know when you find something that indicates that Trubisky is the better QB. I would love for Mitch to come out and prove that he is in fact better but nothing he has done to this point indicates that. The numbers are pretty clear. Jackson has better YPA, better AYPA, better YPC, better TD%, better INT%, etc. And that is without factoring in his running. Anyone claiming to this point that Mitch has been better is blind to reality.

 

[DanielPlainview]

If you can’t see how coaching, offensive system and surrounding talent make a difference, there’s not really much else to discuss. Lamar has always been in a great situation, Trubisky has not

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If you can’t see how coaching, offensive system and surrounding talent make a difference, there’s not really much else to discuss. Lamar has always been in a great situation, Trubisky has not

Lamar wishes he had a WR as good as Robinson. Both have had o line men in the pro bowl both have had rbs in the pro bowl. Lamar plays in a much tougher division than the nfc north

 

[DanielPlainview]

blup blup blup

Allen Robinson is a fine WR. He and Brown are about equal. After that, it's not even close.

Playing the Steelers, Bengals, and Browns was about equal to playing Green Bay, Minnesota, and Detroit

 

[bigdaddyk88]

blup blup blup

Allen Robinson is a fine WR. He and Brown are about equal. After that, it's not even close.

Playing the Steelers, Bengals, and Browns was about equal to playing Green Bay, Minnesota, and Detroit

Robinson has 3 seasons over 1000 yards his 2019 and 2020 season are better than the entire career Brown so far who is Mike Wallace a one trick phony
The packers win the division every year the Vikings have made the playoffs 1 time since he was drafted and 3 times since 2013 lions lol so I guess in your mind Bmore is Chicago Steelers are Green Bay Minnesota is Cleveland

 

[ChaosAgent]

KM is on his Lamar Jackson derangement sh1t. I wouldn't pay much attention on this topic.

 

[Peat]

Not here to hype Trubisky or diss Jackson but doing this comparison the difference between Nagy and Harbaugh is absolutely huge and probably the biggest thing. I know barely anything about the NFL and can still spot that one from an ocean away. Swap their coaches and their careers probably look pretty different.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

Trubisky’s best year was as good as Lamar’s with less talent around him and poorer coaching. Thinking Lamar is better is 100% buying into hype

This hot take is just an attention grab. Why would you even type this out? Seriously.
But in case you're actually serious, Google Lamar's 2019 season.

Lamar is a high end QB who won the MVP 2 years ago. Trubisky is a backup QB trying to prove himself.

 

[DanielPlainview]

Right someone having a different perspective is an attention grab lol

This isn’t Madden. QBs have to be able to pass at a high level and Jackson is a bottom tier passer. The league figured out his gimmick and more 16-13 type seasons are coming before he fades