OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[Peat]

Putting aside the Tomlin playoff failure issues for a moment - if KP is the real deal, this teams window will open up over the next 2-3 years.

Feature backs generally give their drafting team around 5-6 years of high end production before they fall off a cliff in their early 30s.

You can probably knock a year off that with the way Tomlin abuses his feature back - so I’d say he has 4 more years left of being a 1000 yard 75 catch type guy.

That only puts him around 28 yrs old, and it’s always possible he could squeeze another couple productive years out before he hits the dreaded 3-0.

So even given all that, Harris will be right in his prime productive years as their window opens up.

If KP is a bust or just another dude, they will need Harris just to be competitive.

So either way, it was a good pick IMHO.

Good points. I guess super bowl or bust mode says competitive is a bad thing that keeps us in the middle. But it's a lot more fun to watch.

I guess I'm also just assuming a little that KP will fail because, I dunno, I am.

 

[xlm34]

This camp has made me appreciate that the NHL is not as big and popular as the NFL. Having a QB battle in camp for the first time in almost 2 decades has made me appreciate that comparative anonymity of being a Pens fan and only a casual fan of other sports. The Steelers media and fan base are living and dying with every single pass attempt in Latrobe. I've had to block some media people who kept showing up in my feed who were annoying the **** out of me without me even following any of their accounts.

It’s been bad man. Each of the QBs has a bunch of people simping for them. And then are people making sweeping declarations two weeks into camp.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Good points. I guess super bowl or bust mode says competitive is a bad thing that keeps us in the middle. But it's a lot more fun to watch.

I guess I'm also just assuming a little that KP will fail because, I dunno, I am.

It's bad in the sense that Tomlin is delusional and thinks he can win a SB with a journeyman like MT. Qbs that are castoff never work out - but I went over that back when he was signed. Tomlin is going to just waste away a year with his delusions, but it doesn't bother me as long as there is a guy like KP waiting in the wings.

I'm as excited as I've been since maybe Roth's rookie year about this team, but being totally honest, KP is more likely to fail than succeed. So your feelings are pretty natural.

Guys picked where KP was, usually aren't overly successful. Finding your team's franchise successor right after the former has retired also has to be insanely low.

Lots working agt KP there.

I went back and watched all of his snaps last season and he has everything I would want in a QB, aside from a rocket arm, but you only get those guys in the top 5-10. However, I know deep down inside the chances of him being Roth's successor are extremely low.

Just gotta hope, but if he shows signs of being a bust/avg, I'm not going to delude myself like I did in my younger days with Kordell.

 

[pistolpete11]

It's bad in the sense that Tomlin is delusional and thinks he can win a SB with a journeyman like MT. Qbs that are castoff never work out - but I went over that back when he was signed. Tomlin is going to just waste away a year with his delusions, but it doesn't bother me as long as there is a guy like KP waiting in the wings.

I'm as excited as I've been since maybe Roth's rookie year about this team, but being totally honest, KP is more likely to fail than succeed. So your feelings are pretty natural.

Guys picked where KP was, usually aren't overly successful. Finding your team's franchise successor right after the former has retired also has to be insanely low.

Lots working agt KP there.

I went back and watched all of his snaps last season and he has everything I would want in a QB, aside from a rocket arm, but you only get those guys in the top 5-10. However, I know deep down inside the chances of him being Roth's successor are extremely low.

Just gotta hope, but if he shows signs of being a bust/avg, I'm not going to delude myself like I did in my younger days with Kordell.

Everything? What about his hand size?

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Your right about cast offs id say Tannehill is the closest thing to a success story there.

But teams can still win with a game manager ie garapoloo if the play good D and have weapons

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

If they don’t plan on bottoming out, taking as many kicks at the can (ex: getting the first QB of the board in the later 1st round, getting a former top 3 pick in Trubisky, etc etc) until they find the next successor makes sense. I just hope it continues until that guy is found and they’re quick to diagnose.

 

[pistolpete11]

I honestly haven't paid attention to the "QB Battle" because I think they've already made up their minds that Trubisky will be the starter. I don't expect that to change unless (or until, depending on your perspective) there is so much overwhelming evidence that he just sucks. And no, I don't mean he missed some throws in training camp. I mean they start the season like 1-5, he's thrown more INTs than TDs or something, and they are in serious danger of messing up Mikey's "never had a losing season" streak.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

In a league where Jimmy G and Jared Goff can QB teams in the super bowl I am not that worried about QB. I don’t think they are super bowl contenders either I think they will make the playoffs using the Tennessee formula

I honestly haven't paid attention to the "QB Battle" because I think they've already made up their minds that Trubisky will be the starter. I don't expect that to change unless (or until, depending on your perspective) there is so much overwhelming evidence that he just sucks. And no, I don't mean he missed some throws in training camp. I mean they start the season like 1-5, he's thrown more INTs than TDs or something, and they are in serious danger of messing up Mikey's "never had a losing season" streak.

Exactly they gave MT incentives they want him to be the guy at least for 22. They want mason to be QB2 I think by week 8 KP is going to be QB2 and if they aren’t playing well after the bye KP gets the start week 10

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Your right about cast offs id say Tannehill is the closest thing to a success story there.

But teams can still win with a game manager ie garapoloo if the play good D and have weapons

Winning isn't really being a legit contender though. Jimmy G was being dragged along by the rest of that 9ers team last season.

Is what it is. You either draft and develop a franchise guy or you stay mediocre.

There is no getting one in FA/Trade.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Winning isn't really being a legit contender though. Jimmy G was being dragged along by the rest of that 9ers team last season.

Is what it is. You either draft and develop a franchise guy or you stay mediocre.

There is no getting one in FA/Trade.

Oh i agree,

I just think if you have all your other ducks in a row you can truely compete with mediocre QB. Its obviously harder but it can be done if they are mediocre in the right way (if that makes sense)

 

[OnMyOwn]

Jimmy G getting to a Super Bowl and almost winning is all you really need to look at. Gotta have a stud team around them, but it’s possible.

 

[TotesTorts]

Backs built like Najee have a long shelf life assuming no nagging injuries. Big backs are just more durable.

I guess today might have been the first day Trubisky looked like the starting QB

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Oh i agree,

I just think if you have all your other ducks in a row you can truely compete with mediocre QB. Its obviously harder but it can be done if they are mediocre in the right way (if that makes sense)

Ya basically the 90s Steelers.

Unfortunately that time period brought a lot of heartache, but I guess it was a way better time than what we have seen the last ten years.

 

[Peat]

Yeah, sounds like the new QBs are growing into it.

Allowing myself to get a little excited by the news that all of the QBs are looking for Pickens already.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Yeah, sounds like the new QBs are growing into it.

Allowing myself to get a little excited by the news that all of the QBs are looking for Pickens already.

He’s apparently talking a lot of junk to the D and backing it up.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

How many more carries did Harris get compared to those guys.
Cumulatively it's easy to be #1 in a ton of categories if you get the ball

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I honestly haven't paid attention to the "QB Battle" because I think they've already made up their minds that Trubisky will be the starter. I don't expect that to change unless (or until, depending on your perspective) there is so much overwhelming evidence that he just sucks. And no, I don't mean he missed some throws in training camp. I mean they start the season like 1-5, he's thrown more INTs than TDs or something, and they are in serious danger of messing up Mikey's "never had a losing season" streak.

Yea it's hard to gauge a QB in camp. I dismiss all the reports about the offense until I see them vs another team

 

[Goalie_Bob]

How many more carries did Harris get compared to those guys.
Cumulatively it's easy to be #1 in a ton of categories if you get the ball

Taylor had more carries but less receptions. Combined touches, Harris (381), Taylor (372), Williams (246).

So let's go super stat nerd and make a new stat, missed tackles per touch:

Harris: .24
Taylor: .20
Williams: .29

 

[OnMyOwn]

Yeah, sounds like the new QBs are growing into it.

Allowing myself to get a little excited by the news that all of the QBs are looking for Pickens already.

Just gonna state again, I’m glad I snagged him late in my dynasty league, haha.

 

[MrBrightside]

Basing anything on training camp is a really bad idea but it really looks like Pickens is going to be an absolute stud.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Steelers WR Diontae Johnson sued for allegedly no-showing at his own youth camp

Johnson's team reportedly told the organizers he wasn't in town 13 minutes before the camp.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Basing anything on training camp is a really bad idea but it really looks like Pickens is going to be an absolute stud.

Looks like a clone of AJ Green in all those twitter clips.

Combative style w/ same body type. Leaping ability and body control are insane like Green. Neither seems like a big YAC threat.

 

[Peat]

Looks like a clone of AJ Green in all those twitter clips.

Combative style w/ same body type. Leaping ability and body control are insane like Green. Neither seems like a big YAC threat.

See, this is why I lean towards thinking maybe Claypool can be traded, as I feel like they're similar types, only Pickens seems to be better. Claypool could be more of a beast with his size, but doesn't really use it. Diontae Johnson offers a different threat to those guys, although I guess Austin could turn into a similar guy in terms of ability to separate and make yards after the catch.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

See, this is why I lean towards thinking maybe Claypool can be traded, as I feel like they're similar types, only Pickens seems to be better. Claypool could be more of a beast with his size, but doesn't really use it. Diontae Johnson offers a different threat to those guys, although I guess Austin could turn into a similar guy in terms of ability to separate and make yards after the catch.

Claypool is likely their starting slot WR. Don’t see that. Maybe next summer?

 

[Peat]

Claypool is likely their starting slot WR. Don’t see that. Maybe next summer?

Yeah, meant next summer. Nobody's getting traded now. Just with lots of people clamouring to trade Johnson at some point to get value from a possibly quite crowded WR room, I keep looking at that option.