OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 2022 Handball season has arrived!

[bigdaddyk88]

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Dear we dream he plays before the bye

 

[Pens x]

Another miserable Tomlin hater. You may as well get a new team as he's not going anywhere.

People are finally wising up to Tomlin’s incompetence. His little record of never having a losing season is about to crumble, and that is the only thing the fan boys have been able to point to in defending him over the last decade.

People are FINALLY realizing he’s a fool. Better late than never, I guess, but where have they been all this time???

 

[bigdaddyk88]

People are finally wising up to Tomlin’s incompetence. His little record of never having a losing season is about to crumble, and that is the only thing the fan boys have been able to point to in defending him over the last decade.

People are FINALLY realizing he’s a fool. Better late than never, I guess, but where have they been all this time???

You do know how this ends right some how they go 3/5 or 4/4 to the bye get Tj back and Pickett takes over and Tomlin and company gets to 9 or 10 wins

 

[JTG]

You do know how this ends right some how they go 3/5 or 4/4 to the bye get Tj back and Pickett takes over and Tomlin and company gets to 9 or 10 wins

Exactly. Tomlin will work his way out of this. And one top of it, when he does, he again did it without Ben, which flies in the face of his detractors.

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

Exactly. Tomlin will work his way out of this. And one top of it, when he does, he again did it without Ben, which flies in the face of his detractors.

It must be nice to be so oblivious to everything around you.

 

[JTG]

It must be nice to be so oblivious to everything around you.

In what way?

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

In what way?

What about this team gives you hope that the team will go 9-8?

They've been horrendous in every facet aside from the defense in the first half of the Bengals game.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

3 playoff wins in 10 years. 6 appearances. Decade of purgatory. 15 years as a NFL HC with zero coaching tree to speak of.

It’s not an agenda or people hating to hate- he’s just an average coach and it makes sense Steelers fans want more given the history of the franchise and the talent at his disposal in his time here.

 

[Pens1566]

3 playoff wins in 10 years. 6 appearances. Decade of purgatory. 15 years as a NFL HC with zero coaching tree to speak of.

It’s not an agenda or people hating to hate- he’s just an average coach and it makes sense Steelers fans want more given the history of the franchise and the talent at his disposal in his time here.

And when you consider the rosters he's had to work with ... it's a damning resume. The coaching tree especially.

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

And when you consider the rosters he's had to work with ... it's a damning resume. The coaching tree especially.

Yup, every assistant has become the scapegoat.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

The coaching tree thing is a non story. We have gone over this and there have been plenty of good/great* coaches that have a bad coaching tree.

*I am not saying Tomlin is a good/great coach, just that a good or bad coaching tree is not a sign of a good/great coach. Belichek's tree is total crap. Noll's was crap. Landry's I believe is crap (could be wrong on this one). It is not an accurate trait of a good/great coach.

 

[Pens1566]

The coaching tree thing is a non story. We have gone over this and there have been plenty of good/great* coaches that have a bad coaching tree.

*I am not saying Tomlin is a good/great coach, just that a good or bad coaching tree is not a sign of a good/great coach. Belichek's tree is total crap. Noll's was crap. Landry's I believe is crap (could be wrong on this one). It is not an accurate trait of a good/great coach.

It's debatable, but those other coaches you listed actually have a tree to speak of. Their assistants actually went on to get promotions to HC for other teams, regardless of their success. And when they were still assistants they were highly regarded in that role.

Tomlin has ... ???

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I agree, I think it is an interesting part of his career.

But, the data shows that a pronounced coaching tree is not verification of a successful NFL head coach.

 

[TimmyD]

It's debatable, but those other coaches you listed actually have a tree to speak of. Their assistants actually went on to get promotions to HC for other teams, regardless of their success. And when they were still assistants they were highly regarded in that role.

Tomlin has ... ???

You mean Matt Canada isn’t going to get offered a head coaching job somewhere in the NFL next year?

 

[ChaosAgent]

You mean Matt Canada isn’t going to get offered a head coaching job somewhere in the NFL next year?

As I have tried betting to @bigdaddyk88 , Canada is going to take a huge step backwards in his next role.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I agree, I think it is an interesting part of his career.

But, the data shows that a pronounced coaching tree is not verification of a successful NFL head coach.

Here's the thing, other coaches have at least 1 of their assistants go onto become a HC. Now many have certainly failed.

But Tomlin hasn't had 1 assistant he's groomed take a HC gig. NOT ONE! In 15 years. That's unprecedented

 

[bigdaddyk88]

What about this team gives you hope that the team will go 9-8?

They've been horrendous in every facet aside from the defense in the first half of the Bengals game.

What they gave up 17 to New England and 22 to Cleveland on a short week when they have had the top 4 players in total defensive snaps they were exhausted and still did enough with an average offense to win.
Tomlin won 8 games with Duck and Mason

You mean Matt Canada isn’t going to get offered a head coaching job somewhere in the NFL next year?

No because he is going to be the oc next year here still

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

What they gave up 17 to New England and 22 to Cleveland on a short week when they have had the top 4 players in total defensive snaps they were exhausted and still did enough with an average offense to win.
Tomlin won 8 games with Duck and Mason


No because he is going to be the oc next year here still

Ya, I'm becoming less sure that Mitch is better than Mason.

The fact they only gave up 17 and 22 is a miracle, both teams moved the ball at will but had some costly drops on 3rd down.

 

[NewAgeOutlaw]

The Dolphins should be dragged relentlessly since it is pretty clear they pretended Tua's clear concussion on sunday was a back injury.

This is why you don't let players play with concussions.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Tomlin won 8 games with Duck and Mason


No because he is going to be the oc next year here still

With an electric defense where we pulled forward next year's 1st rounder onto the field.
TBH 2019 was the best Steelers defense since 2008. Maybe even better.


There is simply no way to explain why Matt Canada is here, in this current position, that doesn't call into question the basic decision-making of this organization. It is some combination of Tomlin wanting an inferior coordinator to not challenge him, and ARIII/Colbert/Tomlin giving way too much credence to what happened with the other occupants in the building 6-8 years ago. Or maybe something else at work. But he is underqualified for his job, and he isn't good at it.

 

[JTG]

What about this team gives you hope that the team will go 9-8?

They've been horrendous in every facet aside from the defense in the first half of the Bengals game.

None. I've never said that they would.

All I said was that with how these things usually go is that Tomlin will step in a pile of shit and come out smelling like a rose somehow and we will continue to be on this perpetual loop of mediocrity.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

With an electric defense where we pulled forward next year's 1st rounder onto the field.
TBH 2019 was the best Steelers defense since 2008. Maybe even better.


There is simply no way to explain why Matt Canada is here, in this current position, that doesn't call into question the basic decision-making of this organization. It is some combination of Tomlin wanting an inferior coordinator to not challenge him, and ARIII/Colbert/Tomlin giving way too much credence to what happened with the other occupants in the building 6-8 years ago. Or maybe something else at work. But he is underqualified for his job, and he isn't good at it.

The guy had other nfl team interested in his service other nfl teams use the same concepts he uses but he is under qualified because he needs average QB play. The guy got Nathan peterman drafted he inspired mcvay and shanahan while he was at northern Illinois so much so that mcvay spent time with him learning about his offense and used it for the rams. Miami and nerd boy used the same concept Canada likes just last night

 

[ChaosAgent]

The guy had other nfl team interested in his service other nfl teams use the same concepts he uses but he is under qualified because he needs average QB play. The guy got Nathan peterman drafted he inspired mcvay and shanahan while he was at northern Illinois so much so that mcvay spent time with him learning about his offense and used it for the rams. Miami and nerd boy used the same concept Canada likes just last night

Okay all this stuff about how Matt Canada is a seminal mind in football - so, next job: NFL OC or Top 25 program OC? Better than that, or worse?

 

[TimmyD]

What they gave up 17 to New England and 22 to Cleveland on a short week when they have had the top 4 players in total defensive snaps they were exhausted and still did enough with an average offense to win.
Tomlin won 8 games with Duck and Mason


No because he is going to be the oc next year here still

I mean that’s probably true, but that isn’t a good thing. Also, just because he will most likely still be employed doesn’t mean a team can’t interview him for another position

As I have tried betting to @bigdaddyk88 , Canada is going to take a huge step backwards in his next role.

He’s probably still going to be the Steelers OC. So that eliminates the chance of him getting a promotion. I mean if you have a coordinator job other teams can’t interview you after all. I’m sure teams would be lining up to hire Canada next year if only he didn’t already have a job

 

[JTG]

I mean that’s probably true, but that isn’t a good thing. Also, just because he will most likely still be employed doesn’t mean a team can’t interview him for another position


He’s probably still going to be the Steelers OC. So that eliminates the chance of him getting a promotion. I mean if you have a coordinator job other teams can’t interview you after all. I’m sure teams would be lining up to hire Canada next year if only he didn’t already have a job

I think the results of Canada are as clear as day. Every OC he got, college or in the pros, has been completely disastrous. His offense is what high school kids come up with trying to be crafty. The issue with it in the SEC or in the pros is that these defenses are incredibly fast and physical. Doing 3 hand offs behind the line of scrimmage kills linemen. Tossing the ball around on these little pitches also increases the probability of fumbling. It's a joke.