OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 2022 Handball season has arrived!

[SomeDude]

 

[Josey Wales]

You're right, the one constant is the head coach. What isn't mentioned is that for much of that 10 years, the offense was the bright spot and the defense is what let them down. Over the years, their playmakers have moved on due to internal conflict, money, or poor management and the HOF QB has now retired.

Tomlin and Colbert have built a college-level gimmick offense that doesn't win at the line of scrimmage and can't move the ball vertically- heck, Kenny Pickett ran a more pro-style offense down the hall last year at Pitt. The quarterback's first read is either a dump-off to Najee Harris or a timing route on the boundary for 9 yards. This is the same thing that was happening last year, the only time it looked good was when Ben went no-huddle and called his own plays at the line of scrimmage.

I hear lots of people yelling for Canada to be removed but what about the guy who brought him in and is signing off on everything?

Ben Roethlisberger & friends say Hi

 

[LOGiK]

I've got an avatar bet with Bigdaddy

He believes we'll win 10 or more games

No.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I've got an avatar bet with Bigdaddy

He believes we'll win 10 or more games

We will win 10 facing jacoby Mayfield Tebow obviously need improvement from Devin B Edmunds muth some good injury luck maybe take a flyer on Gronk. defense should be solid facing tua josh Gordon. get 3 points off Boswells toe this equates to 7 wins at least. using concepts working at all levels of football Mike t will be accountable

 

[Jaded-Fan]

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

Ben Roethlisberger & friends say Hi

The best quarterback this team will ever have?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

No.

Yeah I figured 5/3 at the bye getting TJ back and handing the keys to KP

 

[Josey Wales]

The best quarterback this team will ever have?

Well I would say Bradshaw BUT yes Big Ben saved the offense for Tomlin

 

[Factorial]

Well I would say Bradshaw BUT yes Big Ben saved the offense for Tomlin

TB doesn't have Ben's stats but he also played many fewer years and won a lot of games during that time.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

The best quarterback this team will ever have?

I think what he’s saying is the reason Canada became the OC is because he was the QB coach and Ben was comfortable with him.

Basically Ben wanted him to give suggestions and if he wanted to follow it cool. If not he was calling his own play at the line.

The moment Ben retired Canada should have been let go. Tomlin is far from blameless in the situation but I won’t put the offense just being toothless on him. That falls squarely in Canada’s lap. I blame Tomlin for the roster construction mainly that horrid O Line.

But Canada should 100% be fired.

 

[K Fleur]

This week I want More targets for Pickens and less of anything for Claypool.

 

[Josey Wales]

I think what he’s saying is the reason Canada became the OC is because he was the QB coach and Ben was comfortable with him.

Basically Ben wanted him to give suggestions and if he wanted to follow it cool. If not he was calling his own play at the line.

The moment Ben retired Canada should have been let go. Tomlin is far from blameless in the situation but I won’t put the offense just being toothless on him. That falls squarely in Canada’s lap. I blame Tomlin for the roster construction mainly that horrid O Line.

But Canada should 100% be fired.

no what I am saying is Big Ben hid Tomlin ineptitude

 

[bigdaddyk88]

OMG if you believe this, then you are an idiot

"“We’re evolving to that[audibling], too,” Canada said. “[You have] a guy who played 18 years and a guy who just got here with a bunch of young players. We’re slowly building to that. We’re not where we want to be and we’re building to that.”"

Omg over half of the league Oc doesn’t let Qb audible

 

[ChaosAgent]

The best quarterback this team will ever have?

Nah. There's like 5 QBs better than Big Ben (outside of his 2014 peak) playing right now.

If you assume the NFL goes another 50 years or so it's pretty unlikely that we DON'T end up with someone better, for some period of time.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

no what I am saying is Big Ben hid Tomlin ineptitude

Fair and also true. I’m not a Tomlin advocate nor do I demand his head on a pike. But Ben did hide a lot of his flaws as a coach.

 

[JTG]

I'm actually quite shocked rewatching some runs. The Line is making lanes and Harris isn't taking them.

I don't want to admit yet that he can't read lanes...BUT

Yeah, this line can't pass protect for shit, but they can run block. He has lanes. It's just a matter of him hitting those holes. Absolutely no run should be going outside tackle right now. Dotson-Cole-Daniels are going a good job.

Part of me hopes this season is a glorious failure so we can put this "never had a losing season" bullshit to rest.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Yeah, this line can't pass protect for shit, but they can run block. He has lanes. It's just a matter of him hitting those holes. Absolutely no run should be going outside tackle right now. Dotson-Cole-Daniels are going a good job.

Part of me hopes this season is a glorious failure so we can put this "never had a losing season" bullshit to rest.

For a line that can’t pass block they sure aren’t giving up any sacks.

 

[Pens x]

Nope - Kaboly said on the fan the other day he was told from one of his most reliable sources that Roth was extremely limited in when he could audible and MT isn't allowed to audible at all. That kind of stupidity from Tomlin even shocked me.

You are arguing in circles because no matter which stance you take, it will lead back to Tomlin's incompetence.

Canada is shitty- "Why did Tomlin keep him around?"
MT blows - "Why did Tomlin predetermine he would be the starter?"

We can play the chicken or the egg, but Tomlin created both.

Mike Tomlin is exhausting and the media makes it worse. I was listening to the fan earlier while they had some Cleveland media guy as a guest. The very first thing out of his mouth is how well-coached the Steelers are, and how great Tomlin is.

Has there ever been a bigger fraud in the NFL than Tomlin? People still defend this guy - it’s the strangest thing ever.

 

[Flying Dego]

Tonight will be interesting. If the offense looks the same and we sink against a Brissett led Browns team...this will slide into a very bad season for Tomlin.

If he can weasel out a win and get the offense looking average ill be very surprised.

Gotta go with a 17-13 Browns win.

 

[Power Surge]

Mike Tomlin is exhausting and the media makes it worse. I was listening to the fan earlier while they had some Cleveland media guy as a guest. The very first thing out of his mouth is how well-coached the Steelers are, and how great Tomlin is.

Has there ever been a bigger fraud in the NFL than Tomlin? People still defend this guy - it’s the strangest thing ever.

A few of us here have a hard time understanding it.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Mike Tomlin is exhausting and the media makes it worse. I was listening to the fan earlier while they had some Cleveland media guy as a guest. The very first thing out of his mouth is how well-coached the Steelers are, and how great Tomlin is.

Has there ever been a bigger fraud in the NFL than Tomlin? People still defend this guy - it’s the strangest thing ever.

Tomlin is protected by the “Rooney Factor” and that highly skews how people view him.

They don’t look at him as the guy who hasn’t won a playoff game in five years, which has never happened in modern Steelers history - they see a guy who has never had a losing season!

They don’t see a guy who has given up 35+ points in his last four playoff games - they see a smart and clever guy who wows us with “witty” Tomlinisms.

It’s all about perception and a coach protected under the Rooney philosophy of giving a guy a lifetime job safe from accountability.

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

Nah. There's like 5 QBs better than Big Ben (outside of his 2014 peak) playing right now.

If you assume the NFL goes another 50 years or so it's pretty unlikely that we DON'T end up with someone better, for some period of time.

in 50 years if this team gets another 2 super bowls it would be considered a big success. Ben at his peak was the best in the league in an era that had Brady.

 

[Flying Dego]

in 50 years if this team gets another 2 super bowls it would be considered a big success. Ben at his peak was the best in the league in an era that had Brady.

And Eli Manning. Don't forget him.

 

[Josey Wales]

Ron Cook: Steelers' offensive woes start at the top When Ron(Slurp Slurp)Cook start putting the blame on Tomlin, you know the dung has hit the fan

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

And Eli Manning. Don't forget him.

You mean the legendary Chad Powers?

"Think fast - run fast!"