Detroit Redwings Downfall

[FriendlyGhost92]

For sure, and Detroit

Detroit picked Dallas' #1 ranked player in 2021 at #6. Thanks.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Evaluating a GM

Drafting and Development - looks to be excellent
* Seider Edvinsson ASP is an enviable top3 defence coming along nicely.... A+
* Cossa and Augustine looks excellent in goal.......A
* Kasper Danielson i thought you could have swung higher for the fences but both look to be safe solid picks and SY is smart to build through the middle. Has plenty of insulation too in Larkin Compher Copp for them to slow cook without too much on their shoulders.......B
* Raymond Nygard.....Raymond is stud PPG scorer and Nygard at 15 i love. That kid is a beast....A
* Nobody has been rushed or jerked around in development from what i can gather.......A

In House contracts - the long term contracts for DeBrincat Larkin Seider Raymond look excellent...A

Pro Scouting w/contracts - without listing them all this is where as things unfold it will have to be significantly better. Some of the signings do offer scaled internal competition and nobody wants to sign on a retool/rebuild so you have to give some slack......C-

Direction and Culture
* Trading Hronek and Bertuzzi doubling down on the retool is what every GM should be trying to do when things look like good players wont be part of the upswing and in the right contracts. ASP DeBrincat are 2 valuable pieces moving forward now.

When the team gets the push from the young guys mentioned maturing most of the contracts will be gone.......I'm not sure what the negativity is unless you just focus on July and free agent signings. In saying that it definitely has to be much better

Lots of As and Bs for a team that can't make the playoffs. Maybe your letter grades aren't, like, based on fact?

 

[Nogatco Rd]

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People have crunched the numbers on this across pro sports. It's unequivocally luck.

Can you reference the NHL-relevant research that supports your point? Or do you want me to wade through 4 articles and do that for you?

in my experience when someone posts articles instead of responding, they haven’t even read all of what they’re posting. Just copy and paste a quick google search for something that looks like it will affirm their argument

 

[Shane Diesel]

Can you reference the NHL-relevant research that supports your point? Or do you want me to wade through 4 articles and do that for you?

Read it yourself. I've already went to the trouble of posting three articles that pertain directly to the discussion. I'm done holding your hand.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Lots of As and Bs for a team that can't make the playoffs. Maybe your letter grades aren't, like, based on fact?

Not really that surprising considering up until a month ago all but two of them weren't yet NHL regulars...

It's almost like you still have to develop the players you draft rather than just toss them in the deep end.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

NFL Draft luck? Picking a Pro Bowler like Aaron Donald or Dak Prescott is not as easy as it looks | Sporting News

www.sportingnews.com

Pronman: NHL draft is 75% luck, 25% skill

Corey Pronman examines the top-drafting NHL teams of the past 20 years and the role of luck in the draft.

www.espn.com

NHL Draft Pick Probabilities

Whenever an NHL draft is approaching, the excitement level and hype around the players go through the roof. It’s an exciting time for sure but it seems like most people don’t have realistic expectations when it comes to the draft. To help with that, I decided to

dobberprospects.com

What Percentage of NHL Draft Picks Make It to the NHL? - Big Shot Hockey

The NHL is an elite club and it's a significant achievement to even get drafted by a team — but it's a whole other story to end up playing in your first NHL

hockeychirpers.com

People have crunched the numbers on this across pro sports. It's unequivocally luck.

You are contradicted in literally the first headline of the first hockey article you posted

Read it yourself. I've already went to the trouble of posting three articles that pertain directly to the discussion. I'm done holding your hand.

Did you even read it tho? ESPN article is behind a paywall.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Not really that surprising considering up until a month ago all but two of them weren't yet NHL regulars...

It's almost like you still have to develop the players you draft rather than just toss them in the deep end.

Six years is a lot of "development" time. When does Steve finally become a real NHL GM?

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

I’m a red wings fan and even I can tell you this thread is silly. It’s just users going back and forth either posting negative red wings content when we lose or positive red wings content when we win. We suck. That’s all there is to it. We will suck until we see what our draft picks can do in the NHL. Our pro scouting is horrible and not going to get us out of this mess. And lol at Ottawa fans chirping us, that’s like two junk yard dogs fighting over who is king of the trash heap. It’s meaningless, we both are awful.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Detroit picked Dallas' #1 ranked player in 2021 at #6. Thanks.

Spin out you want, Nill is a better GM than Stevie.

 

[TKB]

Six years is a lot of "development" time. When does Steve finally become a real NHL GM?

Just last year we had people telling us that if Edvinsson was any good, he wouldn’t have been playing in GR.

SY doesn’t care about HF Boards approval or expected timeline.

He has a clear vision and plan that anyone can see if they are willing to look or listen to those that have explained.

As of now that plan is on track.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Just last year we had people telling us that if Edvinsson was any good, he wouldn’t have been playing in GR.

SY doesn’t care about HF Boards approval or expected timeline.

He has a clear vision and plan that anyone can see if they are willing to look or listen to those that have explained.

As of now that plan is on track.

His plan is a terrible one if it doesn't take into account what everyone outside of Detroit uses to adjudge the success of an NHL team: making the playoffs and competing for the Cup. Right now it's all words until he does that, and the team is no closer than when he took over. You can tout his greatness when the team he's assembled makes the post-season for the first time.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Six years is a lot of "development" time. When does Steve finally become a real NHL GM?

Trying to figure out which of Stevie's big picks we've been waiting on for 6 years. I'll let you name them.

Spin out you want, Nill is a better GM than Stevie.

Even if this is the case, not sure what that has to do with you wanting to avoid discussing Ottawa's overall recent drafting like the plague.

Only 2020 exists!

 

[VeteranPresence]

Trying to figure out which of Stevie's big picks we've been waiting on for 6 years. I'll let you name them.

Yzerman has 32 career GP out of picks from outside the top ten so... the vast majority of his selections? Do you think that's normal for a GM?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Yzerman has 32 career GP out of picks from outside the top ten so... the vast majority of his selections? Do you think that's normal for a GM?

We've been waiting 6 years for the vast majority of his selections even though he's only been GM for five?

Is this a new form of math I haven't heard about or do you just suck ass at trolling?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Trying to figure out which of Stevie's big picks we've been waiting on for 6 years. I'll let you name them.


Even if this is the case, not sure what that has to do with you wanting to avoid discussing Ottawa's overall recent drafting like the plague.

Only 2020 exists!

It’s a waste of time, when your obtuse, I spent 5 posts on it, showing they’ve had more success in drafting, especially past round 1.
1000 games > 600 games.

I’ve got better things to do then shooting down all your ya buts, and goalpost moves.
Cheers

 

[TKB]

His plan is a terrible one if it doesn't take into account what everyone outside of Detroit uses to adjudge the success of an NHL team: making the playoffs and competing for the Cup. Right now it's all words until he does that, and the team is no closer than when he took over. You can tout his greatness when the team he's assembled makes the post-season for the first time.

so we have a binary choice of "greatness" or get to OT in game 82 "In" but an empty net goal and they are out and it is "awful."

I am just thankful that SY is not listening to

 

[VeteranPresence]

We've been waiting 6 years for the vast majority of his selections even though he's only been GM for five?

Is this a new form of math I haven't heard about or do you just suck ass at trolling?

It will be six years as of April unless you think he's being fired before then... which is not likely if the org views him with the same red-tinted glasses his fans here do.

In that time, do you think any of Antti Tuomisto, Robert Mastrosimone, Albert Johansson, William Wallinder, Theodor Niederbach or Cross Hanas suddenly become NHL difference makers? Oh, and never mind that's just his first two years of throwing non-top ten picks into a wood chipper. Stevie is giving Ken Holland a run for his money with that kind of drafting, and I don't mean that in a nice way.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

It’s a waste of time, when your obtuse, I spent 5 posts on it, showing they’ve had more success in drafting, especially past round 1.
1000 games > 600 games.

I’ve got better things to do then shooting down all your ya buts, and goalpost moves.
Cheers

"Your obtuse" is probably the funniest self-own I've heard in some time.

There wasn't any goalpost moving at all. I conceded to you that Ottawa had a great 2020 draft. (Better than Detroit's or anyone else's) Then I asked you to address the absolute dogshit drafting you've had outside 2020 and you ran like the devil was chasing you.

But keep hiding behind games played like it's an accomplishment lol. Kirk Maltby was a better NHLer than Mario Lemieux because he played more games.

It will be six years as of April unless you think he's being fired before then... which is not likely if the org views him with the same red-tinted glasses his fans here do.

In that time, do you think any of Antti Tuomisto, Robert Mastrosimone, Albert Johansson, William Wallinder, Theodor Niederbach or Cross Hanas suddenly become NHL difference makers? Oh, and never mind that's just his first two years of throwing non-top ten picks into a wood chipper. Stevie is giving Ken Holland a run for his money with that kind of drafting, and I don't mean that in a nice way.

So it hasn't been 6 years yet?

So you were talking out of your ass?

Just checking...

 

[VeteranPresence]

So it hasn't been 6 years yet?

So you were talking out of your ass?

Just checking...

If this is the kind of victory you need, I am happy for you to take it. Lord knows it hasn't (and won't be) coming on the ice with the team the Yzerplan is assembling.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

If this is the kind of victory you need, I am happy for you to take it. Lord knows it hasn't (and won't be) coming on the ice with the team the Yzerplan is assembling.

I'm just trying to get you to claim factually accurate shit.

You claim the vast majority of his prospects we've been waiting on for 6 years. He hasn't even been GM for 6 years and about half of those have been picked in the last three, so how the hell is that "Vast majority"?

 

[norrisnick]

His plan is a terrible one if it doesn't take into account what everyone outside of Detroit uses to adjudge the success of an NHL team: making the playoffs and competing for the Cup. Right now it's all words until he does that, and the team is no closer than when he took over. You can tout his greatness when the team he's assembled makes the post-season for the first time.

Just sit this one out, champ...

 

[VeteranPresence]

I'm just trying to get you to claim factually accurate shit.

You claim the vast majority of his prospects we've been waiting on for 6 years. He hasn't even been GM for 6 years and about half of those have been picked in the last three, so how the hell is that "Vast majority"?

None of the ones I listed were picked in the last three years; who is the one making factually incorrect claims now?

Just sit this one out, champ...

I think you and @FriendlyGhost92 need this reminder:

You can tout the genius of Steve Yzerman when his team isn't a near-perpetual bottom ten club. That day is not today and no amount of coping in this thread can fix that, so sorry. See you back here in 2027 with what I assume will be a boat load of fresh new excuses.

 

[TKB]

It will be six years as of April unless you think he's being fired before then... which is not likely if the org views him with the same red-tinted glasses his fans here do.

In that time, do you think any of Antti Tuomisto, Robert Mastrosimone, Albert Johansson, William Wallinder, Theodor Niederbach or Cross Hanas suddenly become NHL difference makers? Oh, and never mind that's just his first two years of throwing non-top ten picks into a wood chipper. Stevie is giving Ken Holland a run for his money with that kind of drafting, and I don't mean that in a nice way.

Funny that you stop there why don't you go on record with your NHL projections for:

Cossa 21 - 15th
Buchelnikov -22- 52nd
Sandin-Pellika 23 - 17th
Augustine 23 -41st
Kiskiinen (and Nashville 2nd round pick) via Gibson - 23 42nd

For arguments sake I'll give you the rest as misses though there are a few others that are progressing.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

None of the ones I listed were picked in the last three years; who is the one making factually incorrect claims now?

Perhaps you should read the post again. You claimed we've been waiting on the "Vast majority" of Yzerman's picks for 6 years now. I didn't say shit about the players you listed, I was, again, talking about your bullshit claim.

I'm gonna guess Yzerman pissed in your cheerios one time because you're really, really fired up and insistent on arguing in this thread.

There's plenty to criticize that you shouldn't need to keep saying ignorant shit.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

You can tout the genius of Steve Yzerman when his team isn't a near-perpetual bottom ten club. That day is not today and no amount of coping in this thread can fix that, so sorry. See you back here in 2027 with what I assume will be a boat load of fresh new excuses.

Last time I checked, literally zero Wings fans call Yzerman a "genius". Detroit fans are actually very critical of their own team and GM

Imagine that, a neutral fan coming into a rogue thread and regurgitating senseless drivel about a team they know nothing about... over and over again. Coping, you say?