OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 2022 Handball season has arrived!

[Mr Jiggyfly]

He does have some hype. I don't think he has taken over the 3 guys I've mentioned. Right now Skoronski is having the best season of any LT PFF has ever graded.

There is some worry about Skoronski’s reach, so we’ll see how he ultimately grades out at the combine.

There doesn’t seem to be a consensus on any of them being OT1.

Fashanu seems like the only one who may make a huge rise and get that franchise OT hype, but we’ll see what the chatter is after the annual meat market.

Either way, this OT class wasn’t very hyped coming into the season, without any guys the scouts droll over. However, a lot of these prospects are now turning heads, so that bodes well for the Steelers.

 

[JTG]

There is some worry about Skoronski’s reach, so we’ll see how he ultimately grades out at the combine.

There doesn’t seem to be a consensus on any of them being OT1.

Fashanu seems like the only one who may make a huge rise and get that franchise OT hype, but we’ll see what the chatter is after the annual meat market.

Either way, this OT class wasn’t very hyped coming into the season, without any guys the scouts droll over. However, a lot of these prospects are now turning heads, so that bodes well for the Steelers.

Yeah, his arms are a bit short from what is reported. 32 inches for a LT isn't THAT short though. His wingspan is still reported to be around the same as most LTs. Skoronski at worst will be a perennial Pro Bowl interior lineman.

Fashanu is a riser for sure. Blake Freeland is really good. There isn't a top tier LT in this draft, but there are a collection of guys who will be good. Bergeron from Syracuse is really good also. He could be an awesome RT.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Yeah, his arms are a bit short from what is reported. 32 inches for a LT isn't THAT short though. His wingspan is still reported to be around the same as most LTs. Skoronski at worst will be a perennial Pro Bowl interior lineman.

Fashanu is a riser for sure. Blake Freeland is really good. There isn't a top tier LT in this draft, but there are a collection of guys who will be good. Bergeron from Syracuse is really good also. He could be an awesome RT.

I have a bad feeling with this schedule they will win 5 games or so and get out of the top 5-6 slots where teams would pay a premium to jump up for a QB.

Hopefully they can hover around that 5-6 slot.

If they could trade down, grab a 2024 first and land one of the big three T, I’d be pretty stoked.

 

[JTG]

I have a bad feeling with this schedule they will win 5 games or so and get out of the top 5-6 slots where teams would pay a premium to jump up for a QB.

Hopefully they can hover around that 5-6 slot.

If they could trade down, grab a 2024 first and land one of the big three T, I’d be pretty stoked.

If Jalen Carter is there, we have to take him. That's a defensive cornerstone. If he's not there, I'd absolutely back up and parlay that pick into multiples.

 

[TimmyD]

Yea the Steelers org. should strive to be like the Colts. Seriously?

Matt Canada deserves to be fired but your logic is stupid.

See this is the stuff that drives me wild. The Steelers shouldn’t strive to be like the Colts, but they sure shouldn’t strive to be the Steelers either…because they aren’t this great shining organization anymore. The whole “Steeler way” is a thing of the past and the reality is that this organization will become a laughingstock. I mean the Chargers, a team that widely gets made fun of for having no fan base and having to play 17 road games and being notorious chokers just replaced the Steelers on primetime Sunday night game. Keep thinking the Steelers are still this same great organization and that the way they do things is how they should always be done

 

[Night Shift]

Speaking of which, with the Colts, the media flipping out about it, interim HC doesn't imply Saturday is the new coach going forward. He might be if he has success but interim usually means organizations evaluate the situation in the off-season and make a decision then.

 

[TimmyD]

Speaking of which, with the Colts, the media flipping out about it, interim HC doesn't imply Saturday is the new coach going forward. He might be if he has success but interim usually means organizations evaluate the situation in the off-season and make a decision then.

It was still a stupid move and absolutely signified that Irsay only wants his yes man drinking buddy in the HC role, and not someone who will challenge his decisions. Reich wanted to stick with Carson Wentz. Irsay didn’t want to and got involved and that became a thing between the two of them. Irsay doesn’t want someone on the coaching staff who will challenge him

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

Speaking of which, with the Colts, the media flipping out about it, interim HC doesn't imply Saturday is the new coach going forward. He might be if he has success but interim usually means organizations evaluate the situation in the off-season and make a decision then.

Maybe there's something I'm missing but in what world is a 13 year starting center, 6 time pro bowl, Super bowl winner not "qualified" to be an interim head coach? Exactly what are the qualifications? People act like being a head coach is some sort of political position.

Serious mental illness going on, it's scary.

 

[Night Shift]

It was still a stupid move and absolutely signified that Irsay only wants his yes man drinking buddy in the HC role, and not someone who will challenge his decisions. Reich wanted to stick with Carson Wentz. Irsay didn’t want to and got involved and that became a thing between the two of them. Irsay doesn’t want someone on the coaching staff who will challenge him

It is and maybe Irsay really did lose it. Someone on ESPN mentioned the idea that because Saturday already worked for the Colts as a consultant that this move was to give Irsay an idea of where to clean house (So Saturday is basically a Consultant/Coach that reports to Irsay?)

Maybe Irsay wants one of those QBs coming out and is trying to tank and while they continue to lose, he gets more info from Saturday. As long as they hire someone more qualified next year, I'm not sure I hate it for the Colts but I would hate it if Saturday gets the position going forward.

At least Saturday won't be there for 20 years, cheer up Colt fans...lol

 

[TimmyD]

Maybe there's something I'm missing but in what world is a 13 year starting center, 6 time pro bowl, Super bowl winner not "qualified" to be an interim head coach? Exactly what are the qualifications? People act like being a head coach is some sort of political position.

Serious mental illness going on, it's scary.

Playing the game does not mean you are qualified to be the head coach. Rick Tocchet played in the NHL and was a shit head coach.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

See this is the stuff that drives me wild. The Steelers shouldn’t strive to be like the Colts, but they sure shouldn’t strive to be the Steelers either…because they aren’t this great shining organization anymore. The whole “Steeler way” is a thing of the past and the reality is that this organization will become a laughingstock. I mean the Chargers, a team that widely gets made fun of for having no fan base and having to play 17 road games and being notorious chokers just replaced the Steelers on primetime Sunday night game. Keep thinking the Steelers are still this same great organization and that the way they do things is how they should always be done

Great logic once again. The sunday flex schedule.

Seriously are people so myopic to think this way.

The Steelers have been a model org since the early 70s. Their stable, they win. The have a Superbowl appearance in every decade except the 80s. They are near or at the top of the league in winning%, superbowl appearance and superbowl victories.

But but but mike tomlin. But but but recent playoff losses.

Get a grip

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Maybe there's something I'm missing but in what world is a 13 year starting center, 6 time pro bowl, Super bowl winner not "qualified" to be an interim head coach? Exactly what are the qualifications? People act like being a head coach is some sort of political position.

Serious mental illness going on, it's scary.

Probably coaching experience would be a thing people might hope for in a coach.

 

[TimmyD]

Great logic once again. The sunday flex schedule.

Seriously are people so myopic to think this way.

The Steelers have been a model org since the early 70s. Their stable, they win. The have a Superbowl appearance in every decade except the 80s. They are near or at the top of the league in winning%, superbowl appearance and superbowl victories.

But but but mike tomlin. But but but recent playoff losses.

Get a grip

If you still think this team is a model organization then I don’t know what to tell you. Also, they don’t win when it matters…and haven’t for several years

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

Probably coaching experience would be a thing people might hope for in a coach.

I would say being a future Hall of Famer might preclude you from needing to coach special teams.

 

[xlm34]

I would say being a future Hall of Famer might preclude you from needing to coach High School football.

That Wayne Gretzky guy sure was a great head coach.

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

That Wayne Gretzky guy sure was a great head coach.

Steve Yzerman and Joe Sakic are pretty good GMs from what I recall.

Did they have prior management experience?

That Wayne Gretzky guy sure was a great head coach.

Marty St. Louis seems to be doing pretty well too, how many coaching jobs has he had?

 

[Captain Hook]

Yeah, I think the issue people have with the Colts Jeff Saturday hire is the inexperience. Granted, many of the better coaching candidates aren't available mid-season but there's got to be somebody on the Colts staff that has more experience and has paid more dues than Saturday. He was just gifted the job. Reminds me a lot of the Edzo hire for us back in the day.

I know it's conspiracy but I really think this is an intentially bad hire by the Colts. I also think benching Matt Ryan was a calculated move. I think they are all in on the tank job at this point and are just doing these things to be as bad as possible.

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

Yeah, I think the issue people have with the Colts Jeff Saturday hire is the inexperience. Granted, many of the better coaching candidates aren't available mid-season but there's got to be somebody on the Colts staff that has more experience and has paid more dues than Saturday. He was just gifted the job. Reminds me a lot of the Edzo hire for us back in the day.

I know it's conspiracy but I really think this is an intentially bad hire by the Colts. I also think benching Matt Ryan was a calculated move. I think they are all in on the tank job at this point and are just doing these things to be as bad as possible.

False, it's the color of his skin.

How many people here wanted Louis Riddick to be the GM of the Steelers?

 

[TimmyD]

Steve Yzerman and Joe Sakic are pretty good GMs from what I recall.

Did they have prior management experience?


Marty St. Louis seems to be doing pretty well too, how many coaching jobs has he had?

Both Yzerman and Sakic held jobs in the front office before being promoted to GM. So they at least had experience in the front office. Marty St. Louis is currently 20-25 as a head coach…so no, he isn’t doing pretty well

 

[Night Shift]

Yeah, I think the issue people have with the Colts Jeff Saturday hire is the inexperience. Granted, many of the better coaching candidates aren't available mid-season but there's got to be somebody on the Colts staff that has more experience and has paid more dues than Saturday. He was just gifted the job. Reminds me a lot of the Edzo hire for us back in the day.

I know it's conspiracy but I really think this is an intentially bad hire by the Colts. I also think benching Matt Ryan was a calculated move. I think they are all in on the tank job at this point and are just doing these things to be as bad as possible.

While that is true, But again when he was hired he was announced as a Interim, likely not going to be a permanent hire.

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

Both Yzerman and Sakic held jobs in the front office before being promoted to GM. So they at least had experience in the front office. Marty St. Louis is currently 20-25 as a head coach…so no, he isn’t doing pretty well

St. Louis took over a team that was last in their division last year and he's brought them back to .500 within a year?

Yzerman was directly named Vice President and Sakic was named an executive advisor.

Oh man, they really should have taken a page from the Steeler's playbook and hired from within.

Nice try pal.

 

[TimmyD]

Taking over a team that was last in their division last year and he's brought them back to .500 within a year?

Nice try pal.

20-25 is .500? That’s new. He’s not doing that well. Just like Jeff Saturday won’t do well. Just because a guy plays the sport doesn’t make him qualified to be a head coach. Just for the record, a guy who has had previous head coaching experience could also not be qualified to be a head coach. See McDaniels, Josh

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

20-25 is .500? That’s new. He’s not doing that well. Just like Jeff Saturday won’t do well. Just because a guy plays the sport doesn’t make him qualified to be a head coach. Just for the record, a guy who has had previous head coaching experience could also not be qualified to be a head coach. See McDaniels, Josh

You're going to hang him on his record for last season when he was hired midway through?

Let me guess, you're some type of blogger or journalist who thinks they know more about a sport than the actual athletes who play it.

It's almost like the top players just fluked into being the best, like McDavid, Yzerman, and Sakic don't understand the game at a level you and I will never understand.

Imagine being so delusional.

 

[TimmyD]

You're going to hang him on his record for last season when he was hired midway through?

Let me guess, you're some type of blogger or journalist who thinks they know more about a sport than the actual athletes who play it.

It's almost like the top players just fluked into being the best, like McDavid, Yzerman, and Sakic didn't understand the game at a level, you and I will never understand.

Imagine being so delusional.

I’m not a blogger or a journalist. Guys who play the game absolutely see it at a level that I will never be able to comprehend.. that still doesn’t mean that it translates to them being good coaches

 

[Captain Hook]

False, it's the color of his skin.

How many people here wanted Louis Riddick to be the GM of the Steelers?

Yeah, I guess I was just speaking for me when it comes to the reasoning being inexperience since I don't really care much what color the coach is. I can see why for some people (maybe most) it may be the color of Saturday's skin or a combination of lack of minority representation in the HC positions and a white guy like Saturday getting hot shotted into a HC job over minority candidates with more experience. It is an odd hire regardless of skin color.

I wasn't the biggest Riddick fan. I found some of his evaluations questionable. He was a huge Haskins fan, called Devin Bush the best player in his draft class etc. He did have lots of experience in front offices though. A bit different than Saturday who has no NFL or college coaching experience.