OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 2022 Handball season has arrived!

[edog37]

I agree, just not on WR

IMO the premium positions in the NFL to use high picks on are QB, T, DL, EDGE, WR, CB and maybe IOL

Both lines should absolutely be the focus.

You don't need to ever use a high pick on WR..or RB for that matter.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

You don't need to ever use a high pick on WR..or RB for that matter.

Don’t agree on WR because of the market rate that position commands cap wise, and the scarcity of good receivers. These guys are valued and there is none in FA. Look what Claypool got in a trade. Adams and Hill commanded massive returns even though the acquirer had to pay them big contracts on top of the trade cost.

RB for sure. Even if you hit I don’t want to hand a huge second contract to that position when I can RBBC effectively with 3 league min guys.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Didn't realize the Browns and Bengals were that much better.

The browns from 2017-2019 have the similar wins as the Texans and that’s with Watson as a Texan
The big separation is Jacksonville to Cincinnati but the colts haven’t won in Jacksonville since luck retired

You don't need to ever use a high pick on WR..or RB for that matter.

Definitely need an alpha Wr. Guys like Chase Adams Jefferson Diggs show that. If you have a good Wr 2 your still paying them 18 million a year

 

[Night Shift]

Don’t agree on WR because of the market rate that position commands cap wise, and the scarcity of good receivers. These guys are valued and there is none in FA. Look what Claypool got in a trade. Adams and Hill commanded massive returns even though the acquirer had to pay them big contracts on top of the trade cost.

RB for sure. Even if you hit I don’t want to hand a huge second contract to that position when I can RBBC effectively with 3 league min guys.

If you are talking elite game changing Recievers ok but good Recievers are a dime a dozen. You don't need the former to be a Superbowl contending team. If you're rebuilding and have needs everywhere reciever is like last on the list for draft priority.

 

[JTG]

The browns from 2017-2019 have the similar wins as the Texans and that’s with Watson as a Texan
The big separation is Jacksonville to Cincinnati but the colts haven’t won in Jacksonville since luck retired


Definitely need an alpha Wr. Guys like Chase Adams Jefferson Diggs show that. If you have a good Wr 2 your still paying them 18 million a year

There is very limited separation between the pairs of teams when you compare their records. No reason to look more into it. Tomlin has under performed a coach that just got fired for under performing. Take your semantics elsewhere.

If you are talking elite game changing Recievers ok but good Recievers are a dime a dozen. You don't need the former to be a Superbowl contending team. If you're rebuilding and have needs everywhere reciever is like last on the list for draft priority.

We have our stud in Pickens. He needs to be surrounded by guys like JuJu...even James Washington. Guys who can be reliable pass catchers when teams start to inevitably double/triple cover him.

There are some really good secondary type receivers in this upcoming draft I'd love to see us target.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

If you are talking elite game changing Recievers ok but good Recievers are a dime a dozen. You don't need the former to be a Superbowl contending team. If you're rebuilding and have needs everywhere reciever is like last on the list for draft priority.

If this org wants to contend again, their draft priority needs to be:

OL
DL
#1 corner

Lukcily Weidl is a huge proponent of building from the tenches out.

Hopefully he and Kahn are given more power than Tomlin to run the draft, or things will be ugly for quite some time.

Tomlin has proven he places little value on the tenches based on his drafting priorities the last decade.

 

[Night Shift]

There is very limited separation between the pairs of teams when you compare their records. No reason to look more into it. Tomlin has under performed a coach that just got fired for under performing. Take your semantics elsewhere.


We have our stud in Pickens. He needs to be surrounded by guys like JuJu...even James Washington. Guys who can be reliable pass catchers when teams start to inevitably double/triple cover him.

There are some really good secondary type receivers in this upcoming draft I'd love to see us target.

What you're saying is true, I think if lucky you may be able to find a supporting cast in FA. Mostly my point is (especially with this team) you probably want to start with shoring up both lines early as a start. Unfortunately this team has only 5 picks up coming. I think it was good to acquire draft capital for Claypool.

If this org wants to contend again, their draft priority needs to be:

OL
DL
#1 corner

Lukcily Weidl is a huge proponent of building from the tenches out.

Hopefully he and Kahn are given more power than Tomlin to run the draft, or things will be ugly for quite some time.

Tomlin has proven he places little value on the tenches based on his drafting priorities the last decade.

Lol I meant to quote you for some reason I thought you were JTG.

You and I think the same way though, see my post above.

 

[JTG]

If this org wants to contend again, their draft priority needs to be:

OL
DL
#1 corner

Lukcily Weidl is a huge proponent of building from the tenches out.

Hopefully he and Kahn are given more power than Tomlin to run the draft, or things will be ugly for quite some time.

Tomlin has proven he places little value on the tenches based on his drafting priorities the last decade.

This OL doesn't even need that much help. It needs a LT. If it gets a LT, we can bump Moore inside or to RT where I think he'd be more effective. A luxury would be to find a stud C so we can bump Cole to a G spot.

 

[xlm34]

I don’t think the d line is in terrible shape right now either although it can use some more youth. They’re ranked 8th in YPC allowed which is a massive improvement over last year.

I would take a similar approach as last year and add some pieces via free agency and draft a guy in the middle rounds like they did with Leal.

I want them to use whatever first they have on an OT or CB.

 

[Night Shift]

This OL doesn't even need that much help. It needs a LT. If it gets a LT, we can bump Moore inside or to RT where I think he'd be more effective. A luxury would be to find a stud C so we can bump Cole to a G spot.

I don’t think the d line is in terrible shape right now either although it can use some more youth. They’re ranked 8th in YPC allowed which is a massive improvement over last year.

I would take a similar approach as last year and add some pieces via free agency and draft a guy in the middle rounds like they did with Leal.

I want them to use whatever first they have on an OT or CB.

They need not only youth but dominant prospects on both sides.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Frank Reich record over the last 5 years 40-33-1.

Anyone want to guess what Tomlin's record is?

The answer to the question is 40-33-1.

 

[JTG]

They need not only youth but dominant prospects on both sides.

Not just any youth though. They tried the youth thing and they got Moore and Green. Their offensive line isn't old. They just like "it" factor players. They are a line of ham and eggers.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

If you are talking elite game changing Recievers ok but good Recievers are a dime a dozen. You don't need the former to be a Superbowl contending team. If you're rebuilding and have needs everywhere reciever is like last on the list for draft priority.

I don’t agree at all. We’re spoiled in the Burgh.

Look at Kirk, Golladay deals in FA. Hell Valdez-Scantling got a 3 year 30 million dollar deal, half of it guaranteed. That’s premium pay for other positions.

There’s a ton of elite level stars at WR but no middle class. Overall not a ton of quality starters, the ones that are never hit FA. You have to draft your WRs to avoid paying a premium via trade.

I don’t care what round you do it in, but my point is WR is not a RB type of “do not use a 1st” position. It’s a premium position in the NFL and should be prioritized.

Check out the past few FA classes and this years for reference: 2023 NFL Free Agents Tracker

Also Cincy just used a top 5 pick on a WR in a rebuild, it got them a SB appearance. The team that won had Kupp, Woods, OBJ and Van Jefferson.

 

[Night Shift]

I don’t agree at all. We’re spoiled in the Burgh.

Look at Kirk, Golladay deals in FA. Hell Valdez-Scantling got a 3 year 30 million dollar deal, half of it guaranteed. That’s premium pay for other positions.

There’s a ton of elite level stars at WR but no middle class. Overall not a ton of quality starters, the ones that are never hit FA. You have to draft your WRs to avoid paying a premium via trade.

I don’t care what round you do it in, but my point is WR is not a RB type of “do not use a 1st” position.

Check out the past few FA classes and this years for reference: 2023 NFL Free Agents Tracker

It has nothing to do with being spoiled.

The QB can't get the ball out with the entire OL being average to below average. This line can't even run block so how does that help any elite Recievers coming here? Add the fact you have a Rookie QB dealing with a below average line.

Elite Recievers are a luxury not a need.

Yeah we're real spoiled with coach Clown leading the charge the past 16 years

Not just any youth though. They tried the youth thing and they got Moore and Green. Their offensive line isn't old. They just like "it" factor players. They are a line of ham and eggers.

Picking early should alleviate that since the lines are taken off the board early and quickly. Generally.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

This OL doesn't even need that much help. It needs a LT. If it gets a LT, we can bump Moore inside or to RT where I think he'd be more effective. A luxury would be to find a stud C so we can bump Cole to a G spot.

Unfortunately there are no franchise LTs available, but there are some good ones at least.

Or take the most disruptive DE in the draft and let him and and Watt wreck havoc.

Then grab the best center prospect with your highest second rounder and push Cole over.

 

[Night Shift]

The answer to the question is 40-33-1.

L.O.L

 

[Jaded-Fan]

So what you all are saying is that the hope is that Tomlin will finally learn to not micro-manage the team and delegate more responsibilities to a top quality OC and DC.

Unfortunately there are no franchise LTs available, but there are some good ones at least.

Or take the most disruptive DE in the draft and let him and and Watt wreck havoc.

Then grab the best center prospect with your highest second rounder and push Cole over.

The value is in option number two unless you trade down.

Either way is fine as this is not a one year fix.

 

[JTG]

Unfortunately there are no franchise LTs available, but there are some good ones at least.

Or take the most disruptive DE in the draft and let him and and Watt wreck havoc.

Then grab the best center prospect with your highest second rounder and push Cole over.

Just spitballing here - Right now we are picking 4th. I doubt we stay that high. If we do though, very real possibility we will have a crack at Carter and Will Anderson who are basically 1a and 1b on the defensive side of the ball. Both are elite disruptors. Carter makes a lot of sense. Play him like Baltimore played Ngata. Put him everywhere. Anderson will not unless we can move him to MLB to bump Bush.

Paris Johnson, Skoronski, and Broderick Jones are the top 3 LT prospects who will all probably be taken in the 5-25 range.

We can probably grab a C in the 2nd or 3rd. Ricky Stromberg out of Arkansas is my favorite. JM Schmitz is a more polished player right now, but I think Stromberg has more to work with. Neither guy is really a zone guy though, so that's tough. Forsyth out of Oregon may be a better choice or Oluwatimi out of Michigan.

 

[Night Shift]

Unfortunately there are no franchise LTs available, but there are some good ones at least.

Or take the most disruptive DE in the draft and let him and and Watt wreck havoc.

Then grab the best center prospect with your highest second rounder and push Cole over.

I'm not up on college, do you know the highest LT ranked?

 

[Night Shift]

Just spitballing here - Right now we are picking 4th. I doubt we stay that high. If we do though, very real possibility we will have a crack at Carter and Will Anderson who are basically 1a and 1b on the defensive side of the ball. Both are elite disruptors. Carter makes a lot of sense. Play him like Baltimore played Ngata. Put him everywhere. Anderson will not unless we can move him to MLB to bump Bush.

Paris Johnson, Skoronski, and Broderick Jones are the top 3 LT prospects who will all probably be taken in the 5-25 range.

We can probably grab a C in the 2nd or 3rd. Ricky Stromberg out of Arkansas is my favorite. JM Schmitz is a more polished player right now, but I think Stromberg has more to work with. Neither guy is really a zone guy though, so that's tough. Forsyth out of Oregon may be a better choice or Oluwatimi out of Michigan.

This sounds like a good plan if they don't go with LT. I'm just unsure of the top one and how far down he's ranked.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

This sounds like a good plan if they don't go with LT. I'm just unsure of the top one and how far down he's ranked.

You could grab one of the two top LT's around pick ten. So drop down to a team that craves a QB or similar. However if still sitting at four or five you take one of Anderson or Carter and be thrilled, waiting until the second round or even FA to go OL.

 

[xlm34]

Just spitballing here - Right now we are picking 4th. I doubt we stay that high. If we do though, very real possibility we will have a crack at Carter and Will Anderson who are basically 1a and 1b on the defensive side of the ball. Both are elite disruptors. Carter makes a lot of sense. Play him like Baltimore played Ngata. Put him everywhere. Anderson will not unless we can move him to MLB to bump Bush.

Paris Johnson, Skoronski, and Broderick Jones are the top 3 LT prospects who will all probably be taken in the 5-25 range.

We can probably grab a C in the 2nd or 3rd. Ricky Stromberg out of Arkansas is my favorite. JM Schmitz is a more polished player right now, but I think Stromberg has more to work with. Neither guy is really a zone guy though, so that's tough. Forsyth out of Oregon may be a better choice or Oluwatimi out of Michigan.

The LT from Penn State may be the top ranked guy at his position when all is said and done. I’ve seen a lot of hype around him.

I don’t know if the Steelers philosophy will change with Khan and Weidl but a 20 year old athletic prospect out of Penn State seems like a dream for them.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Unfortunately there are no franchise LTs available, but there are some good ones at least.

Or take the most disruptive DE in the draft and let him and and Watt wreck havoc.

Then grab the best center prospect with your highest second rounder and push Cole over.

Olu if he comes out will be a top 10 LT. He is a redshirt 19 year old sophomore first year starter so it’s a ton of projection then Northwestern has a guy. It’s not a great class right now I agree.
The 2nd round pick is for the Michigan C. I think Carter is the top of their board right now. I am also hoping that they go get hargrave in FA

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I'm not up on college, do you know the highest LT ranked?

The LT from Penn State may be the top ranked guy at his position when all is said and done. I’ve seen a lot of hype around him.

I don’t know if the Steelers philosophy will change with Khan and Weidl but a 20 year old athletic prospect out of Penn State seems like a dream for them.

Olu Fashanu is the guy as @xlm34 says. Idk if he’s a Sewell level type prospect but he’s got all the tools and has been legitimately very good in terms of performance this year. He’s also 19.

 

[JTG]

The LT from Penn State may be the top ranked guy at his position when all is said and done. I’ve seen a lot of hype around him.

I don’t know if the Steelers philosophy will change with Khan and Weidl but a 20 year old athletic prospect out of Penn State seems like a dream for them.

He does have some hype. I don't think he has taken over the 3 guys I've mentioned. Right now Skoronski is having the best season of any LT PFF has ever graded.