Value of: Penguins blow-up

[Empoleon8771]

That isn't blowing it up. It's getting rid of bit players. Blowing it up is moving Crosby, Malkin, Karlsson, and Letang.

They literally can't do that. Karlsson and Letang basically have immovable contracts and they won't trade Crosby or Malkin.

This is the extent that the Penguins can blow up the team.

 

[Coffee]

They literally can't do that. Karlsson and Letang basically have immovable contracts and they won't trade Crosby or Malkin.

This is the extent that the Penguins can blow up the team.

Sir Empoleon, my question to you was genuine and sincere regarding Rust but once again you choose to not engage with me

 

[SEALBound]

Pettersson at 50% retained should get a 1st rounder from a contending team and a B prospect

Ellers should get a 2nd if he keeps up this level of play otherwise a 3rd

O'Conner probably gets a 3rd or a 4th

The other guys (Rakell, Karlsson, Bunting, Rust) have a lot of term so makes it hard to trade them/consider what theit value is

This is where I'm at with regard to value.

I could see Rakell, Rust, and Bunting being upgrades where the Pens take back a $3mil bottom 6 wing and a 2nd/3rd.

What? I doubt contending teams GM’s see the Rust contract as a problem. Cap is going up, 4 years at 32 Y.O is not the end of the world.

Unless you’re saying something else, like Rust has regressed that much?

It's hard to say honestly. He's been hot and cold the last two years. When he's hot, he's really hot and things just f***ing click. When he's not hot, it's frustrating. But honestly, he's also a player I think Pens fans will overly berate because we're "tired of him". He's been around 9 years in a wide variety of roles. His speed has take a bit of a hit the last couple of years but really, he's still a reliable top 6 RW. He's proven he can play with top talent doing equally as well with Malkin as Sid and he's capable of being on the first powerplay and the PK.

I do think there would be interest so long as a GM is okay taking on a 32yo with 4 years left (including this one). Best bet with Rust is a 1:1 with a different player. Copp from Detroit makes sense IMHO. Might give both players a jump. I've always had Buffalo on the list too. Maybe something like Greenway+2nd/3rd.

 

[BrookswasHere44]

That isn't blowing it up. It's getting rid of bit players. Blowing it up is moving Crosby, Malkin, Karlsson, and Letang.

Letang can be had for a 5th, you in? EK for a 4th.... The heck do I care

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Rakell and Ellers are players I'd want for Buffalo.

 

[Stickpucker]

They literally can't do that. Karlsson and Letang basically have immovable contracts and they won't trade Crosby or Malkin.

This is the extent that the Penguins can blow up the team.

Thread title should then be

"Penguins flushing the toilet"

 

[DJJones]

Ya any talk of blowing it up without Crosby being top of the list is lame

 

[DrDangles]

Rust and Rak both have value at their current contracts, the only way the Pens are taking back bad contracts for them is for added value. Both guys are safe bets for 20-30 goals and 50+ points, their contracts are good value for what they bring in a top 6 role.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Nick Robertson for DOC ?

 

[Petes2424]

Pettersson is the one teams would be the most interested in, but you’d think they’d be trying to keep him.

Can think of several players btw, who’d be scratching their heads if Dubas does move him. The only reason to do so, is if he comes out and says he’s not re-signing in Pittsburgh, and they’re out of it come the deadline.

 

[Kasperi kapanen]

Nick Robertson for DOC ?

I’d assume Pens pass.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Rakell seems like a decent player still. 8 pts in 11 G this year. 60 points a couple years ago. Last year was a down year but largely seems like a player worthy of $5M. Is he horrible defensively or what?

He played through a shoulder injury last year, killed his numbers. Seems to be back to his 60 point potential again.

My issue with Rakell on the Pens is he scores points, isn't bad at any facet of the game, but doesn't excell in any area either. Vanilla top 6 W that is fine on any team to fill out a roster, but isn't a dynamic difference maker.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Pettersson at 50% retained should get a 1st rounder from a contending team and a B prospect

Ellers should get a 2nd if he keeps up this level of play otherwise a 3rd

O'Conner probably gets a 3rd or a 4th

The other guys (Rakell, Karlsson, Bunting, Rust) have a lot of term so makes it hard to trade them/consider what theit value is

Shouldn't need to retain on Pettersson. He's an excellent dman, 28 years old, at a $4 million cap hit, and is a ufa after this year.

Rust and Rakell are both good top 6 wingers. They're still effective but the long terms might be off putting. May need to retain or take cap dumps here.

Eller for a 2nd sounds about right. Been one of the few bright spots this year.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Pettersson is the one teams would be the most interested in, but you’d think they’d be trying to keep him.

Can think of several players btw, who’d be scratching their heads if Dubas does move him. The only reason to do so, is if he comes out and says he’s not re-signing in Pittsburgh, and they’re out of it come the deadline.

He's going to command $6-7M on a 7-8 year deal. Not going to happen for a team headed towards the toilet.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Pettersson is the one teams would be the most interested in, but you’d think they’d be trying to keep him.

Can think of several players btw, who’d be scratching their heads if Dubas does move him. The only reason to do so, is if he comes out and says he’s not re-signing in Pittsburgh, and they’re out of it come the deadline.

Players like Pettersson don't age well. He's a defensive defenseman who doesn't have a lot of natural skill to fall back on, and as he closes in on 30 years old and loses a bit of speed and the wear and tear of being hit a lot adds up, he's going to turn into a bad contract sooner than later.

He's the type of player that a contender might be interested in for the next 2 or 3 seasons, but one that a pretender (sorry, rebuilding) team shouldn't re-sign.

 

[Coffee]

It's hard to say honestly. He's been hot and cold the last two years. When he's hot, he's really hot and things just f***ing click. When he's not hot, it's frustrating. But honestly, he's also a player I think Pens fans will overly berate because we're "tired of him". He's been around 9 years in a wide variety of roles. His speed has take a bit of a hit the last couple of years but really, he's still a reliable top 6 RW. He's proven he can play with top talent doing equally as well with Malkin as Sid and he's capable of being on the first powerplay and the PK.

I do think there would be interest so long as a GM is okay taking on a 32yo with 4 years left (including this one). Best bet with Rust is a 1:1 with a different player. Copp from Detroit makes sense IMHO. Might give both players a jump. I've always had Buffalo on the list too. Maybe something like Greenway+2nd/3rd.

Makes sense, I appreciate the answer, Seal