The one move that likely gets Dubas fired

[ACC1224]

Agreed, I loved Kadri, I understood why they did it and qt the time I thought we made out okay but immediately it became apparent we made a mistake.

Marner is my favourite leaf, I can’t believe we want to get rid of a 90+ Scoring winger. But the grass is greener for some. A part of me wishes they do trade him just so we can stop hearing all the constant bitching

It won't change a thing.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

This was a really bad contract and there was no reason for us to get killed on both AVV AND term when he was an RFA. Baffling then as it is now. If he must be paid 10.9M how on earth is it not over 8 years? Doesn't make any sense and that extra money we paid absolutely matters

 

[francis246]

It won't change a thing.

Haha, they’ll find a new target! Or they’ll be complaining our team is worse most likelt

 

[FlatIron]

In 2018 if someone had come to you and said "We'll trade you John Tavares (at a higher cap hit of course) straight up for William Nylander", everybody in the world would have done it. And that was the net effect of the Tavares deal. They could have signed him and traded Nylander for a solid D-man for the $7M salary he ended up getting that very day (equivalent of a $9M D-man today). They just didn't. There was no downside to the Tavares signing because he came for no assets. They just didn't manage the whole thing properly. I mean, imagine you could replace Nylander for no prospects or picks with John Tavares and still have the cap space for, say, Slavin or Chychrun? 'Cause that's exactly the position they were in. They just never went down that path because they could or would or something something.

There was nothing inherently wrong with the Tavares signing. Either I'm on glue or I'm the only one that gets this.

I should rephrase, Locking up all 4 of those big offensive guys was a mistake, one too many not necessarily Tavares but that's a huge contract.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

The dubites like to defend the marchment trade by saying “how were we suppose to know…”, well when you have a general manager whose philosophy is to have zero then over the hill grit in a contact sport, yeah it’s a pretty easy oversight. A knowledgeable GM would see marchment get feedback from AHL coaches and try him out to add that young grit the team need.

You're right, it was Dubas' belief at the time that grit didn't have a place on the Leafs roster. Leading up to the season they won the Calder Cup, I watched a lot of Marlie's hockey because I had LeafsTV. I could never understand why he wasn't given an opportunity despite having exceptional seasons in the A. He seemed to me a perfect 4th liner at the least.

 

[GoonieFace]

Which one of the 85 moves should I pick? Help me out

 

[The Iceman]

Why would that be the case? Firing a GM mid season can absolutely be effective. For one it stops a negative trend and acknowledges that a change in direction needs to happen. The question is whether Shanahan has an idea of a replacement.

I don't see the point in hanging on to a GM if the team has no intention of keeping him long term. and i HIGHLY doubt Dubas is going to be here beyond this season. He's had his time here to prove himself. He's had 4 years and hasn't done anything to really improve the team if we're being honest. It's crazy to think that we have had generational talent... the type that we have dreamed of since the days of Mats Sundin and it's being squandered. what a waste.

I guess you are not counting the team record for points last year are you?

 

[diceman934]

Agreed, I loved Kadri, I understood why they did it and qt the time I thought we made out okay but immediately it became apparent we made a mistake.

Marner is my favourite leaf, I can’t believe we want to get rid of a 90+ Scoring winger. But the grass is greener for some. A part of me wishes they do trade him just so we can stop hearing all the constant bitching

We never needed to trade Kadri. We needed to find a player with some jam that could have took over the enforcer roll. Remember his two playoff suspension came when he was defending his team mate. It was a stupid trade period.

We fail to trade a turn over machine and even keep him over a player we just trade for. He gets claimed in the expansion draft and we keep a dump pylon.
Trades have always been lopsided towards our opponents.

 

[DarkKnight]

Wait, he didn’t pass a test? Now it’s all Marner’s fault, lol.

The Matthews contract is outrageous, he got top dollar, with only one UFA year, goes to free agency at 26 and had it all front loaded. Matthews ROLLED Dubas.

 

[diceman934]

Wait, he didn’t pass a test? Now it’s all Marner’s fault, lol.

The Matthews contract is outrageous, he got top dollar, with only one UFA year, goes to free agency at 26 and had it all front loaded. Matthews ROLLED Dubas.

Easily our worse contract..

 

[Amadeus]

I'm struggling to see what he said wrong there. Why am I getting a sense that a large chunk of this fanbase is just out to bully this guy now?

 

[diceman934]

I'm not sure Muzzin can get back to form with his extensive head injuries.

I don't even think Muzizn was a bad trade we got 3 good years out of him in our "window" but he's just fallen off. He needs to get Mrazek'd or LTIRetired. Nothing against him he was a warrior and a leader here but his time has come.

Muzzin body is done. He is a shell of himself. If he comes back this year which is highly unlikely he will barely be a NHL D man.

 

[diceman934]

I'm struggling to see what he said wrong there. Why am I getting a sense that a large chunk of this fanbase is just out to

He was the only one to come out and face the media and he defended his team. I say that is brave after the game he played. He faced the music yet many on here call him a baby etc. Just stupidity.

 

[DarkKnight]

Easily our worse contract..

And can‘t you blame agents for seeing blood after Dubas actually flew to Sweden to make sure Willie’s feelings weren’t hurt, THEN went to New York later to meet his agent. A RFA, with zero leverage, and our GM is flying around. Weak. It started with Nylander, he blew all of them and I could care less what they’ve done since, fact is he over paid all of them at the time.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I should rephrase, Locking up all 4 of those big offensive guys was a mistake, one too many not necessarily Tavares but that's a huge contract.

It's not you, it's everyone. It's repeated over and over by every Leaf fan yet all it did was give us options. Dubas just didn't use them which arguably was also a reasonable decision. Again, every team in the League would have signed him and worry about the cap management later. Looking back absolutely the best move would have been to move Nylander or Marner for a (hopefully) top pairing D.

 

[rocketman588]

The move that will get him fired is never Making a big move.

Dude has been perpetually fearful of changing the group in an impactful manner

The AM and MM trade protection and length are just the cherry on top

 

[Racer88]

Love how everyone makes the Tavares signing sound so obvious now. Don't recall too many of us being upset that July 1st. I was pumped. I was lukewarm on the Kadri deal but understood it at the time. Foligno and Murray I hated from the rumour stage.

Still say Dubas built teams good enough to win in the playoffs. Just didn't happen. Can lay blame all you want, but he put the pieces in place. They had one of the highest scoring teams in the NHL. Couldn't score when it mattered most. Especially in 3 overtimes. Why? Heart, bad bounces? No idea.

If as you say he put the pieces in place but it just didn’t happen, maybe he didn’t do as good a job as you think. Maybe the structure of the team is not as good as you think, maybe the character of the players in tough situations is not as good as it takes to win

 

[maskingagent]

the "one move" ? simple, its another 1st round exit

 

[PromisedLand]

the "one" move that likely (and definitely SHOULD) get Dubas fired is "Thinking he is better than everyone when it comes to hockey knowledge"

#FireDubas

 

[Mess]

Dubas has 5 assistant general managers in Toronto ..

Kyle Dubas	General Manager
Brandon Pridham	Assistant General Manager
Darryl Metcalf	Assistant General Manager, Hockey Research and Development
Hayley Wickenheiser	Assistant General Manager, Player Development
Ryan Hardy	Assistant General Manager, Minor League Operations
Jason Spezza	Special Assistant to the General Manager

You could fire Dubas and nobody would notice he was gone, other than this temper tantrums from the pressbox perhaps.

Plenty of others that manage the daily cap and the other hockey operations,

Just ask the last guy at night left in the pressbox to turn out the lights when he leaves.

 

[ChadBigly]

Dubas has already done everything to get himself fired. Looking on the history of the Leafs since 2018, it’s “all the small things” cumulatively added up.

Death by a thousand poor trades

 

[Superstar]

"Time to regroup, rethink" sounds like he needs a vacation from his vacation.

Reassessing his Fortnite strategies...

 

[stickty111]

Pretty much. Dubas has gone from making a skilled team that comes in waves to a slow team, and made you think what has he done.
The narrative will still be Dubas made a soft team. He's changed directions in an extreme way. Why that is? Is it him falling for media pressure or old boys club?
I'm almost guaranteeing the vision Dubas had initially is not this current team.

 

[ChadBigly]

I think it’s painfully obvious there needs to be a GM firing for all the small errors that added up, all the misplaced faith in the core. But you have to protect the next era by doing so in a professional manner too at a timing that works for the Leafs.

Right now, Dubas is basically Dave Nonis 2014-15 to me.

Dubas is Analytics Mike Milbury.

 

[Gabriel426]

People also have to realize they just played, media availability after a game is so stupid. You just physically exerted yourself for 60 minutes, maybe you win, maybe you lose, the odds of you saying something stupid or doesn’t make sense is at an all time high.

I can’t excuse what he said. Idk why they keep rolling him out there to speak after games.

Pre game media and after morning skate makes the most sense. It’s easy to get flustered post game when you’re still processing what happened.

Thats part of being a professional athlete. I do agree with you but it is his 7th NHL season plus a few more in London, he should be used to it by now. also, any players can always say No comment or I had a bad game and need to be better next game.

Great kid, dumb as a post.

Nailed it.

Tell me again how he is our worse playoff performer when leading them in playoffs points. At least use logic when attempting to make an personal assassination on Mitch.

I am still a huge Marner fan as I am still a Kadri fan and hated that they Traded Kadri and if they trade Mitch it would instantly become the worse trade in NHL history.

Don't you need to see the returns of the any trades to determine being the worse trade in NHL history. Or do you mean the worse trade in NHL history for the other team, lol.