The one move that likely gets Dubas fired

[egd27]

Shambles in our brain.

Yea, scratched my head at that one too. But we all know he's not the sharpest knife it the drawer,

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Signing Tavares was a mistake, but he was highly sought after and other GM's tried to do the same.

However, no other GM in the world was lining up to pay Marner $11 million per season.

Salary cap = Budget

Ferrari versus a daily driver = An expensive luxury that a budget situation can't afford or need.

End.

 

[Trapper]

The move that gets dubas fired is the one he hasn't made - trade a major core piece to shake up the roster and retool.

The trouble is, when you are ready to trade a major core piece it’s because you have an idea and identity of what you need the team to evolve into. I don’t think he has that idea. His whole tenure was based on signing 4 skilled guys to half the cap. Then he tried skill to go with it, some expired grit to go with it, unsure how to evaluate goaltending, etc.
He had 1 plan and we need someone with a new one.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I said it before but it's the Marner contract. It was just a terrible deal and there was no comparable too it. He's also been the worst playoff performer in the playoffs from the core. It's kind of disgusting people go on after Nylander, but Marner's mistakes are a lot worse however because "he works hard" so he doesn't get criticized as much.

He also went after the fans. Just a disgrace to the jersey and his dad too

Only one move that gets him fired?

I can build a bigger case than that in my sleep.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

The team is 4-4-2, take a chill pill.

Forget the record and use your eyes. You telling me this team is going to make a long playoff run?
Points they're squandering now will lead to them getting TBay or Boston in round 1. I'd be willing to bet my entire year's salary that they don't win either matchup.

 

[Superstar]

I said it before but it's the Marner contract. It was just a terrible deal and there was no comparable too it. He's also been the worst playoff performer in the playoffs from the core. It's kind of disgusting people go on after Nylander, but Marner's mistakes are a lot worse however because "he works hard" so he doesn't get criticized as much.

He also went after the fans. Just a disgrace to the jersey and his dad too

Problem with that tweet is it's not his first season in the league...going on 7 years now? He's a man, right?

 

[francis246]

Yea, scratched my head at that one too. But we all know he's not the sharpest knife it the drawer,

People also have to realize they just played, media availability after a game is so stupid. You just physically exerted yourself for 60 minutes, maybe you win, maybe you lose, the odds of you saying something stupid or doesn’t make sense is at an all time high.

I can’t excuse what he said. Idk why they keep rolling him out there to speak after games.

Pre game media and after morning skate makes the most sense. It’s easy to get flustered post game when you’re still processing what happened.

 

[Rude Dog]

Marner is awesome and we will miss him if and when he leaves. But demanding that contract still doesn't sit well with me. But he can play on my team any day. The mistake is not surrounding them with at least 3 or 4 physical types of players who can still play. They don't have to be top end guys, but guys that will make them much harder to play against.

 

[francis246]

The Kadri trade.

This team's strength when signing Tavares, was having a great center core. Moving one of them for 12 months of an awful Barrie, and then being left with just an Alex Kerfoot, was really the start of the decline in this project.

Agreed. I’ve said it a thousand times on here. If they wanted to move Kadri it should have been for a defenseman of equal personality/caliber and with term. The Kadri deal was really the beginning of the end

 

[Rude Dog]

How do you pick out of the long list
signing Tavares when he was not what we needed.
treating goaltending like an after thought
Kadri deal.
Foligno deal
mrazek deal
Murray deal
Running the same thing back year after year

Love how everyone makes the Tavares signing sound so obvious now. Don't recall too many of us being upset that July 1st. I was pumped. I was lukewarm on the Kadri deal but understood it at the time. Foligno and Murray I hated from the rumour stage.

Still say Dubas built teams good enough to win in the playoffs. Just didn't happen. Can lay blame all you want, but he put the pieces in place. They had one of the highest scoring teams in the NHL. Couldn't score when it mattered most. Especially in 3 overtimes. Why? Heart, bad bounces? No idea.

 

[diceman934]

I said it before but it's the Marner contract. It was just a terrible deal and there was no comparable too it. He's also been the worst playoff performer in the playoffs from the core. It's kind of disgusting people go on after Nylander, but Marner's mistakes are a lot worse however because "he works hard" so he doesn't get criticized as much.

He also went after the fans. Just a disgrace to the jersey and his dad too

Tell me again how he is our worse playoff performer when leading them in playoffs points. At least use logic when attempting to make an personal assassination on Mitch.

I am still a huge Marner fan as I am still a Kadri fan and hated that they Traded Kadri and if they trade Mitch it would instantly become the worse trade in NHL history.

 

[Nineteen67]

It’s hard to pinpoint one thing when he’s failed on almost every move he’s made.

 

[Berri UQAM]

It's too bad to see Keefe get visibly upset and frustrated behind the bench. It seems like he is feeling a lot of pressure and pushing it on to players who need a calming presence. Auston Matthews, for example, says that "it feels like the world is crashing down on [us]." I think that he needs a reset.

At .500, the Leafs are still in an alright spot despite playing below their potential so early in the season. I bet that they would play better if they loosened up a bit, and didn't fall so hard for the gloom and doom perspective that people are pushing.

 

[egd27]

People also have to realize they just played, media availability after a game is so stupid. You just physically exerted yourself for 60 minutes, maybe you win, maybe you lose, the odds of you saying something stupid or doesn’t make sense is at an all time high.

I can’t excuse what he said. Idk why they keep rolling him out there to speak after games.

Pre game media and after morning skate makes the most sense. It’s easy to get flustered post game when you’re still processing what happened.

Perhaps his old man put too much emphasis on hockey and not enough on education, I don't know. But the fact of the matter is Mitch isn't well spoken and isn't what would be defined as very intelligent,

He may still be a great guy.

 

[ACC1224]

Perhaps his old man put too much emphasis on hockey and not enough on education, I don't know. But the fact of the matter is Mitch isn't well spoken and isn't what would be defined as very intelligent,

He may still be a great guy.

Great kid, dumb as a post.

 

[francis246]

Perhaps his old man put too much emphasis on hockey and not enough on education, I don't know. But the fact of the matter is Mitch isn't well spoken and isn't what would be defined as very intelligent,

He may still be a great guy.

Agreed, which is why I pose the question. Why do they keep making him available!?

 

[DuklaNation]

average top 6 scorers? average top six scorers put up multiple 90+ point seasons. They are better than average, they are elite players. But they just aren't going to be guys who you can lean on to guide you to a cup.

A lot of player's stats are inflated by PP points.

 

[francis246]

A lot of player's stats are inflated by PP points.

again just another dumb argument, power plays are apart of the game. I don't get why people shit talk on guys who are efficient on the powerplay. secondly pretty sure Marner has consistently been among league leaders is primary assists at even strength. His numbers aren't that inflated by PP time

 

[FlatIron]

Opinion from an outsider (a Habs fan, not a "fanatical" one), I'm too old for name calling and making fun of other teams. I'm also a fan of the league. Anyway, my opinion isn't ground breaking, Dubas' biggest mistake was bringing in Tavares, that money should have gone to building a solid D. Also getting rid of Kadri for Barrie and Kerfoot (Barrie wasn't the answer as you realized, Kerfoot not terrible). He tried to address the D problem but meh. Then there's goaltending, yikes, Matt Murray is definitely not the answer. As everyone knows, way too much cap invested in the top 4 offensive guys, Dubas tied his hands with those massive contracts.

I'd be pissed right now, the same way I was pissed at Bergevin for years on end, I hated his moves and didn't even follow the team as much as I used to. Now there's a real team in the front office and things are already looking better. That false run Montreal made during the Covid year could have been disastrous, I thought Molson was going to extend Bergevin but fortunately he saw through it. I take it Dubas won't make it through the year.

 

[DuklaNation]

again just another dumb argument, power plays are apart of the game. I don't get why people shit talk on guys who are efficient on the powerplay. secondly pretty sure Marner has consistently been among league leaders is primary assists at even strength. His numbers aren't that inflated by PP time

Put Kerfoot on top PP and give Tavares zero PP time. Lets observe the difference in scoring output. Now, compare their revised scoring to salaries and its subsequent effect on rest of roster. "Dumb" "shit talk". Maybe apply for a job at MLSE, they'd love you.

 

[Marmoset]

Love how everyone makes the Tavares signing sound so obvious now. Don't recall too many of us being upset that July 1st. I was pumped. I was lukewarm on the Kadri deal but understood it at the time. Foligno and Murray I hated from the rumour stage.

Still say Dubas built teams good enough to win in the playoffs. Just didn't happen. Can lay blame all you want, but he put the pieces in place. They had one of the highest scoring teams in the NHL. Couldn't score when it mattered most. Especially in 3 overtimes. Why? Heart, bad bounces? No idea.

I basically agree with your first paragraph. Very few people were against the Tavares deal when it happened. Hated Foligno and Murray as you did as soon as it was even being discussed. I was lukewarm on the idea of trading Kadri but understood why. My issue with the Kadri deal was the return, specifically Barrie who was a terrible fit for the Leafs blueline, the opposite type of what they needed.

The second paragraph I don't agree with as much. I'm surprised the team has not got past the first round even once, and in that sense I agree. However, there have been more than enough questionable decisions along the way. I keep harping on this, he inherited a team with significant talent mostly on ELCs and a good cap situation, and turned into a capped out team lacking draft picks and young talent.

If a team continually can't score when it matters, if a team continually makes defensive mistakes at big moments, if a team continually has goaltending questions - at some point you question if the team he built is really good enough.

A big part of why I think Dubas should be removed isn't that his vision seems to have failed. It is that he seems to have steadfastly stood by his vision without considering that it might be flawed, even when the evidence suggests that it is so. The same applies to Shanahan. On the ice, this team is still making the same mistakes and having the same problems as it did five years ago.

 

[the squared circle]

I keep looking at my phone to see if I get a text in regards to keefe dubas and shanahan being fired. The anticipation and anxiety is infinitely greater than any trade deadline day or free agency day

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Opinion from an outsider (a Habs fan, not a "fanatical" one), I'm too old for name calling and making fun of other teams. I'm also a fan of the league. Anyway, my opinion isn't ground breaking, Dubas' biggest mistake was bringing in Tavares, that money should have gone to building a solid D. Also getting rid of Kadri for Barrie and Kerfoot (Barrie wasn't the answer as you realized, Kerfoot not terrible). He tried to address the D problem but meh. Then there's goaltending, yikes, Matt Murray is definitely not the answer. As everyone knows, way too much cap invested in the top 4 offensive guys, Dubas tied his hands with those massive contracts.

I'd be pissed right now, the same way I was pissed at Bergevin for years on end, I hated his moves and didn't even follow the team as much as I used to. Now there's a real team in the front office and things are already looking better. That false run Montreal made during the Covid year could have been disastrous, I thought Molson was going to extend Bergevin but fortunately he saw through it. I take it Dubas won't make it through the year.

In 2018 if someone had come to you and said "We'll trade you John Tavares (at a higher cap hit of course) straight up for William Nylander", everybody in the world would have done it. And that was the net effect of the Tavares deal. They could have signed him and traded Nylander for a solid D-man for the $7M salary he ended up getting that very day (equivalent of a $9M D-man today). They just didn't. There was no downside to the Tavares signing because he came for no assets. They just didn't manage the whole thing properly. I mean, imagine you could replace Nylander for no prospects or picks with John Tavares and still have the cap space for, say, Slavin or Chychrun? 'Cause that's exactly the position they were in. They just never went down that path because they could or would or something something.

There was nothing inherently wrong with the Tavares signing. Either I'm on glue or I'm the only one that gets this.

 

[francis246]

Put Kerfoot on top PP and give Tavares zero PP time. Lets observe the difference in scoring output. Now, compare their revised scoring to salaries and its subsequent effect on rest of roster. "Dumb" "shit talk". Maybe apply for a job at MLSE, they'd love you.

Tavares had 26 out of his 76 points last year on the PP. is that inflated? Not really and you want your stars to do damage on the PP anyways.

The year Tavares scored 88 points he had 19 pp points is that inflated? Not really.

Again if you wanna pull shit outta your ass and make false claims go ahead but our top guys are pretty good even strength but they also have a really good power play: I’m not sure what the issue is. Just complaining to complain

 

[francis246]

Tell me again how he is our worse playoff performer when leading them in playoffs points. At least use logic when attempting to make an personal assassination on Mitch.

I am still a huge Marner fan as I am still a Kadri fan and hated that they Traded Kadri and if they trade Mitch it would instantly become the worse trade in NHL history.

Agreed, I loved Kadri, I understood why they did it and qt the time I thought we made out okay but immediately it became apparent we made a mistake.

Marner is my favourite leaf, I can’t believe we want to get rid of a 90+ Scoring winger. But the grass is greener for some. A part of me wishes they do trade him just so we can stop hearing all the constant bitching