Tribute The Official "Fire Tortorella" Thread

[Fight4yourRight]

"put XY in the best position to win the game"

ruh roh
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The funny part is that had Torts made the personnel choices in those OT games, there’s at least a decent chance they have at least one or two more points and are probably still a playoff spot. But according to some, making those kinds of deployment choices is not within a coach’s control.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Of course I realize that and, like Torts, I think tanking is asinine.

There are quite a few Buffalo fans I know that swear that tanking broke their franchise and they still haven't recovered from it. Heck you're not even guaranteed winning the lottery any more. It's a dumb idea.


What's not a good thing?

I'm not crusading, I'm just answering people who comment on my comments.

What is your definition of tanking?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I think Tortorella is one of the best coaches in the league in squeezing the most out of a roster of middle 6 players and try hards. But the 4 playoff rounds won since 2004 seems more relevant to contending than questing for a participation trophy. "He squeezed so much out of this mediocre roster!" Who cares?

He's already won a Cup, and I think a not so small part of him prefers to coach teams of this talent level. He can instill his culture mystique in a win-win climate of low expectations, without assuming blame in situations of high expectations. I don't think he's ever found a sucker quite like the Flyers.

After the Vancouver debacle I don’t think it’s a coincidence he picked Columbus & here given he was coming into both with little to no expectations for different reasons.

Outside of a prime Panarin his Columbus rosters mirrored what they had this year when he got more control over the roster compared to year one.

Also his last four stops he went to teams with Lundqvist, Luongo, Bobrovsky, & Hart in place. I don’t think that’s a coincidence either. Regardless of what ultimately happened to Luongo & Hart I think he went into those jobs thinking he had his goalie. Now I just got to find my middle to bottom of the lineup defensive grinder types.

The Vancouver job was a pretty poorly choice by him especially in hindsight. You had a team that wasn’t too far removed from a SCF appearance so the expectations were still relatively high & GM who needed to get turned around too. But the roster probably just wasn’t there regardless & they would ultimately bottom out in the coming years.

 

[mja]

No, read it again. I was pointing out how some people are negative about anything and everything. Torts loses games he sucks. Torts wins game he sucks because the draft pick is lower. No matter what happens they find a way to say Torts sucks and if it wasn't Torts it would be someone else and if they run out of people on the team they will attack fans instead.

I thought I'd made that clear but I guess not. Clear now?

Torts sucks not because he won or lost games. He sucks because all he knows how to do is to use the whip. And he’s an arrogant hypocritical asshole.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We aren't even a year removed from him being absolutely enamored with Cates and thinking he's better than Frost despite that obviously not being true. Why would we want anything that ridiculously biased and unreasonable making player evaluations and development choices?

 

[Striiker]

"How can Torts be a bad coach if my random friends who don't follow the team like him?!"

Also "You guys always say the bad coach is bad and don't shortsightedly switch your opinions of him based on 5 game samples of wins or losses" is a hilarious thing to present as a negative. That's called "consistency".

 

[ybnvs]

I think Tortorella is one of the best coaches in the league in squeezing the most out of a roster of middle 6 players and try hards. But the 4 playoff rounds won since 2004 seems more relevant to contending than questing for a participation trophy. "He squeezed so much out of this mediocre roster!" Who cares?

He's already won a Cup, and I think a not so small part of him prefers to coach teams of this talent level. He can instill his culture mystique in a win-win climate of low expectations, without assuming blame in situations of high expectations. I don't think he's ever found a sucker quite like the Flyers.

Due to being naughty I can't Like posts right now. I have nothing to add, but I like this post VERY much. Brilliant, and plausible as f***.

 

[Boocowski]

If you think people here would have complained about TORTS losing games, maybe do some back reading. Everyone here would have been happy with another bottom 10, or less, finish.

If you do that back reading, you'll also find plenty of folks, myself included, who (once it was clear that wasn't going to happen) would have rather made the playoffs than finish just outside.

Paint the board how you will. Coming in and calling people haters right off the bat, then playing the victim card is pretty lame though, no?

Back reading? You must be f'n kidding. Your opinion isn't that valuable.

HYappy to talk to you now, or not, either way, but back reading on the internet? F that.

They just spent last offseason getting rid of players he wanted gone. They tried to get rid of Sanheim but fortunately they somehow failed. Tortorella was voted the most hated coach in the NHL, even over Babcock, in a players poll a few years ago.

You think that makes Philly an attractive place to be?

Let's wait and see what happens in free agency. Your opinion is nobody good will want to come to Philly. Remember to stand by that when you are wrong.

What is your definition of tanking?

Not trying to win.

 

[Boocowski]

Torts sucks not because he won or lost games. He sucks because all he knows how to do is to use the whip. And he’s an arrogant hypocritical asshole.

Funny then cause that would make him just like a lot of Philly fans.

 

[Striiker]

Yes, most Philly fans are stupid as shit.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Back reading? You must be f'n kidding. Your opinion isn't that valuable.

HYappy to talk to you now, or not, either way, but back reading on the internet? F that.


Let's wait and see what happens in free agency. Your opinion is nobody good will want to come to Philly. Remember to stand by that when you are wrong.


Not trying to win.

Cutter enters chat... oh wait! nm...

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Back reading? You must be f'n kidding. Your opinion isn't that valuable.

HYappy to talk to you now, or not, either way, but back reading on the internet? F that.


Let's wait and see what happens in free agency. Your opinion is nobody good will want to come to Philly. Remember to stand by that when you are wrong.


Not trying to win.

Yep. The best opinions are the ones formed with no research or context. Enjoy your time on HF Flyers!

 

[Boocowski]

Cutter enters chat... oh wait! nm...

I picture Cutter and Zegras prancing around like the hockey dudes in Letterkenny. Good riddance.

Yep. The best opinions are the ones formed with no research or context. Enjoy your time on HF Flyers!

Researched? My opinion is based on watching hockey from an early age to now. What research am I supposed to have done? Read you? Why? You have 32 Thoughts for me?

 

[trostol]

Back reading? You must be f'n kidding. Your opinion isn't that valuable.

HYappy to talk to you now, or not, either way, but back reading on the internet? F that.


Let's wait and see what happens in free agency. Your opinion is nobody good will want to come to Philly. Remember to stand by that when you are wrong.


Not trying to win.

then that is where you got it wrong..that's not really tanking..again no one or a very very few(less than 5) ever stated the Flyers should tank..all we want is a proper...rebuild..which we are never going to get

 

[mja]

Funny then cause that would make him just like a lot of Philly fans.

Yes, we're quite aware.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I picture Cutter and Zegras prancing around like the hockey dudes in Letterkenny. Good riddance.


Researched? My opinion is based on watching hockey from an early age to now. What research am I supposed to have done? Read you? Why? You have 32 Thoughts for me?

The point was about your opinion of this board. Maybe stick around for a bit before deciding everyone here is a hater. Maybe you'll change your mind, maybe not.

And no, don't backread me. All you're going to get is a bunch of gifs and bullshit.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Back reading? You must be f'n kidding. Your opinion isn't that valuable.

HYappy to talk to you now, or not, either way, but back reading on the internet? F that.


Let's wait and see what happens in free agency. Your opinion is nobody good will want to come to Philly. Remember to stand by that when you are wrong.


Not trying to win.

I've never had any problems admitting I'm wrong.

Refresh my memory. What good FA did they get last year?

 

[BernieParent]

Sure, but a coach just goes with what the doctors tell him.

Thanks for your answer. I am pretty convinced that John Tortorella doesn't go with what anyone tells him. I am also convinced that this is not the franchise to go with what the doctors tell us.

 

[Boocowski]

then that is where you got it wrong..that's not really tanking..again no one or a very very few(less than 5) ever stated the Flyers should tank..all we want is a proper...rebuild..which we are never going to get

disagree. I think it's going fine.

 

[Boocowski]

Yes, we're quite aware.

"we" I love it when people speak for the group on the internet. YOU are quite aware. Someone else might also be quite aware, but you don't speak for them.

The point was about your opinion of this board. Maybe stick around for a bit before deciding everyone here is a hater. Maybe you'll change your mind, maybe not.

And no, don't backread me. All you're going to get is a bunch of gifs and bullshit.

Dude, my point is being proven quite strongly. All I did was post a positive comment and it's lit off a shitstorm of negativity and preachy self righteousness. Pretty much proves what I'd heard about it.

Too much negativity. It's just soul crushing.

 

[mja]

"we" I love it when people speak for the group on the internet. YOU are quite aware. Someone else might also be quite aware, but you don't speak for them.


Dude, my point is being proven quite strongly. All I did was post a positive comment and it's lit off a shitstorm of negativity and preachy self righteousness. Pretty much proves what I'd heard about it.

Too much negativity. It's just soul crushing.

Guy, we're a hivemind. Try and keep up, ok?

 

[Boocowski]

I've never had any problems admitting I'm wrong.

Refresh my memory. What good FA did they get last year?

That's not the time. Last year was about getting rid of crap. There's a process and we shall see how it goes.
You want to hold this management accountable for the past. I don't. There's no real reason to keep on about it.

Guy, we're a hivemind. Try and keep up, ok?

You're a hive mind. I'm not.

You really think a bunch of negative nellies on the internet will change my mind on my positive view of this team? It won't. Keep trying though if that's what gets you off.

 

[trostol]

lol the past is the present as we have 2 real pieces that they won't move and a bunch of middling players ..up against the cap ..but yeah they have a decent amount of picks..but with the same scouting department lol

 

[Boocowski]

lol the past is the present as we have 2 real pieces that they won't move and a bunch of middling players ..up against the cap ..but yeah they have a decent amount of picks..but with the same scouting department lol

The cap is completely fixed in 2025 and at that point we should have several rookie contracts as well so lots of room. You don't fix a mess like Fletcher left in one year.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Lol, always fun when one of these guys shows up