Blue Jays Discussion: The official Davis Schneider Appreciation Society

[Leaf Rocket]

Bird is the word

as we wait...

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[phillipmike]

 

[red devil]

 

[Puckstuff]

I feel like it’s impossible for Ohtani to live up to this level of hype. Especially next season, when he’s only a DH. It will be hard for him to hit 4.5 -5.0 WAR just because he will have no defensive value next season.

It would be funny if next season he goes to the Dodgers and Ohtani has a down offensive year with something like an .870 OPS in 120 games on a 500-600 million dollar contract and someone like J.D Martinez has an .880 ops season on a 2 year, 30 million dollar contract, also as a DH.

Obviously we should go for the best player and Ohtani is the best player but this is baseball. Predicting human performance is impossible and weird things happen.

 

[Gabriel426]

Why Dodgers and why Toronto?

We are not talking about an American rather a Japanese player.

Both places are high tax bracket
Dodgers is closer to winning but Jays not that far behind.
The flight reason is not a factor as he flies private and both are direct flights.
Both cities are multi cultural.
I would think Toronto is a safer city with less homeless tenters and people ain’t just walking into stores and steal stuff.

I think at the end it will come down to money and a player opt out clause after 3yrs or so.

Nobody turns down money and if Rogers is willing to go over 650mil for 10 yrs and Dodgers can only go 550mil for 10yrs, he will be signing with the Jays.

 

[Puckstuff]

Why Dodgers and why Toronto?

We are not talking about an American rather a Japanese player.

Both places are high tax bracket
Dodgers is closer to winning but Jays not that far behind.
The flight reason is not a factor as he flies private and both are direct flights.
Both cities are multi cultural.
I would think Toronto is a safer city with less homeless tenters and people ain’t just walking into stores and steal stuff.

I think at the end it will come down to money and a player opt out clause after 3yrs or so.

Nobody turns down money and if Rogers is willing to go over 650mil for 10 yrs and Dodgers can only go 550mil for 10yrs, he will be signing with the Jays.

I don't know how worried I would be about taxes in this instance, it's about how much he nets. Given that the Canadian government would receive $300,000,000 million in tax revenue on a 600,000,000 dollar Ohtani deal (50 % tax bracket) + all of the extra tax revenue from increased sales from attendance, Japanese sponsors, International recognition, and $0 in tax if he signs in the United States... we know our tight nit corporate monopolies and the government would never collude to get a deal done . The government has probably already wired over the 200 mil

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Scintillating10]

I think he will go to Dodgers

 

[hockeywiz542]

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4. Athletics
5. White Sox
6. Royals
7. Cardinals
8. Angels
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10. Nationals
11. Tigers
12. Red Sox
13. Giants
14. Cubs
15. Mariners
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18. Rays
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25. Padres
26. Yankees
27. Phillies
28. Astros
29. D-backs
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32. Orioles
33. Twins

 

[hockeywiz542]

Olney: Ohtani's secretive free agency is a shame for the sport

Ohtani's free agency could have been fun -- a celebration of baseball. Instead, there is silence and threats. This is a loss for Ohtani -- and for baseball.

www.espn.com

Somebody should ask Shohei Ohtani a really simple question about his free agency:

What is the point of all of this secrecy?

Of course, that would imply that anyone had heard from Ohtani in the past four months. Maybe his silence is Ohtani's choice, or maybe somebody is giving him some really awful advice. But the way this historic free agency has played out is unnecessarily joyless -- and completely antithetical to the way Ohtani competes, the way he loves his craft.

His short journey through free agency could have been a celebration of baseball. Ohtani has more leverage than any player ever. Everybody wants him, and everybody wants to give him a lot of money. This really should all be fun, generating excitement among baseball fans dreaming of Ohtani in the lineup of their favorite team.

Instead, his decision is being handled like delicate negotiations over a secret spy swap. There is silence and threats, with club executives rolling their eyes as they describe the warnings they have been given from Ohtani's camp about publicly discussing their efforts to sign the most dynamic and popular talent on earth. "Sorry, can't talk about the guy everybody is talking about," said one general manager, laughing.

At the winter meetings Tuesday, Los Angeles Dodgers manager Dave Roberts confirmed that the team had recently met with Ohtani at Dodger Stadium. (NEWS FLASH: The Biggest Spending Team talks with the Most Prominent Free Agent!) Immediately, there were follow-up questions about why he would release the information in the face of the information blackout enforced by Ohtani's camp, which has said that it will hold leaks against teams with which they are negotiating. General manager Brandon Gomes admitted a few hours later that he was surprised Roberts had confirmed the meetings, refusing to comment on them himself.

None of this is necessary. At the All-Star Game, Ohtani circulates among temporary teammates, laughing and posing for pictures, signing autographs for them. There is so much respect for him and for his unique talent, and his free agency could have had the same feel.

Instead, this is our reality: A couple of weeks ago, Ohtani sat with a cute dog as he was awarded the Most Valuable Player. It raised a simple question: What's the name of the dog?

As discussed on the Nov. 20 BBTN podcast, calls were made to ascertain that small detail. The response, through channels, was this: Ohtani's camp was not prepared to release the dog's name. Again, maybe this was Ohtani's decision. Maybe he was getting bad advice. But it was really pretty silly.

 

[Bjindaho]

Olney: Ohtani's secretive free agency is a shame for the sport

Ohtani's free agency could have been fun -- a celebration of baseball. Instead, there is silence and threats. This is a loss for Ohtani -- and for baseball.

www.espn.com

Somebody should ask Shohei Ohtani a really simple question about his free agency:

What is the point of all of this secrecy?

Of course, that would imply that anyone had heard from Ohtani in the past four months. Maybe his silence is Ohtani's choice, or maybe somebody is giving him some really awful advice. But the way this historic free agency has played out is unnecessarily joyless -- and completely antithetical to the way Ohtani competes, the way he loves his craft.

His short journey through free agency could have been a celebration of baseball. Ohtani has more leverage than any player ever. Everybody wants him, and everybody wants to give him a lot of money. This really should all be fun, generating excitement among baseball fans dreaming of Ohtani in the lineup of their favorite team.

Instead, his decision is being handled like delicate negotiations over a secret spy swap. There is silence and threats, with club executives rolling their eyes as they describe the warnings they have been given from Ohtani's camp about publicly discussing their efforts to sign the most dynamic and popular talent on earth. "Sorry, can't talk about the guy everybody is talking about," said one general manager, laughing.

At the winter meetings Tuesday, Los Angeles Dodgers manager Dave Roberts confirmed that the team had recently met with Ohtani at Dodger Stadium. (NEWS FLASH: The Biggest Spending Team talks with the Most Prominent Free Agent!) Immediately, there were follow-up questions about why he would release the information in the face of the information blackout enforced by Ohtani's camp, which has said that it will hold leaks against teams with which they are negotiating. General manager Brandon Gomes admitted a few hours later that he was surprised Roberts had confirmed the meetings, refusing to comment on them himself.

None of this is necessary. At the All-Star Game, Ohtani circulates among temporary teammates, laughing and posing for pictures, signing autographs for them. There is so much respect for him and for his unique talent, and his free agency could have had the same feel.

Instead, this is our reality: A couple of weeks ago, Ohtani sat with a cute dog as he was awarded the Most Valuable Player. It raised a simple question: What's the name of the dog?

As discussed on the Nov. 20 BBTN podcast, calls were made to ascertain that small detail. The response, through channels, was this: Ohtani's camp was not prepared to release the dog's name. Again, maybe this was Ohtani's decision. Maybe he was getting bad advice. But it was really pretty silly.

Buster Olney is a jealous little brat. This article should be held against him. It contains no objective information, just petulant whining that a talented baseball player prefers privacy when he's not playing or doing media appearances.

 

[Discoverer]

Buster Olney is a jealous little brat. This article should be held against him. It contains no objective information, just petulant whining that a talented baseball player prefers privacy when he's not playing or doing media appearances.

Yeah, that's brutal. I don't even disagree with the premise - this could all be more fun if Ohtani was more visibly involved. But I don't hold that against Ohtani in any way, and, if anything, I admire that dedication to keeping his professional and personal lives separate.

 

[FerrisRox]

Soto and Bellinger would probably come in less then the 600m it's going to take to get Ohtani

...and they would also be worth significantly less to the team in terms of a business investment.

 

[shaner8989]

Robert’s will be fired if LA doesn’t get Othani.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[weems]

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Buster Olney is a jealous little brat. This article should be held against him. It contains no objective information, just petulant whining that a talented baseball player prefers privacy when he's not playing or doing media appearances.

My favorite gender. Sportsball journalists who use their platform to complain about athletes who won't play nice with sportsball journalists

 

[phillipmike]

I listened to this this morning.

He hasnt heard anything and is just speculating. Feels like Ohtani isnt a conventional guy and picked the Angels of all places to go 6 years ago and because of that, he believes the Jays are the favorite because they are the unconventional pick. Say he doesnt think Ohtani values market, brand (well known team like the Yankees or Dodgers) and/or money. He can see Ohtani liking the Jays more by falling in love with aspects most free agents dont care about.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[fancy lad]

i get the feeling that the impending ohtani rejection will be the start of a bad bad offseason.

 

[Hannibal]

Would suck to loose on Othani AND Soto.

That would be the Bluejays ‘s luck.

 

[phillipmike]

 

[Dr.Funk]

Would suck to loose on Othani AND Soto.

That would be the Bluejays ‘s luck.

Suck even more if plan c and d etc. signed while we waited on Ohtani.

 

[TimeZone]

Would suck to loose on Othani AND Soto.

That would be the Bluejays ‘s luck.

Fully expect it