Blue Jays Discussion: The official Davis Schneider Appreciation Society

[Dr.Funk]

KK goes on the 10 Day

 

[red devil]

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Damn. Tucker just hit a grand slam off Bautista to give Houston the lead.

Bautista hadn't allowed a run since June 24 (and only 2 runs since early May)

 

[canucksfan]

 

[metafour]

In Buffalo tonight...

Horwitz: 2 for 3, 2 HR, 1 BB (LOL - OPS up to .933)
Martinez: 3 for 4, 2B
Barger: 3 for 4

Exit velocities:

108.7 - Barger (Single)
107.8 - Horwitz (HR)
105.9 - Barger (GIDP)
103.9 - Barger (Single)
100.9 - Horwitz (Groundout)
100.4 - Martinez (Single)
99.9 - Martinez (Single)
97.1 - Horwitz (HR)

Barger is an absolute unit. Legit three more bats in AAA likely ready next season.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Definitely. The first month or so was brutal, with Tiedemann injured, Martinez batting around .050, Barger injured and struggling.

I think the biggest disappointments in the Jays system have been Barriera, mostly due to injury, and Toman. Toman has struggled with the bat.

On the topic of Doughty, Kasevich, Barriera, and Toman I was thinking the other day about that draft class and this years. Maybe it's the shiny new toy syndrome and early struggles from the 2022 class talking but despite having 2 comp picks in 2022 and not having a 2nd rounder in 2023 am I crazy in thinking the 2 draft classes for the Jays are close? Using their mlb pre draft rankings as a comparable

HS Pitcher Barriera ranked 15 v HS SS Nimmala ranked 11
HS SS/3B Toman ranked 35 v HS Pitcher Maroudis ranked 72
College 2B Doughty ranked 55 v College OF Bohrofen ranked 66
College SS Kasevich ranked 67 v College Pitcher Watts-Brown ranked 67
College OF Roden ranked 175 v College SS Goodwin ranked 163
College Pitcher Fluharty unranked v College Pitcher O'Halloran ranked 164

Brock, Williams, etc v Barry, Shaw, etc for the other top 10 rounds

I like the Gallagher, Perry, Stanifer, Hernandez round 11+ group from 2022 better than Brennan Orf and other stuff from this year.

Seems a lot closer to me than it probably should considering we essentially had 3 more 2nd rounders in 2022.

 

[Maplebeasts]

In Buffalo tonight...

Horwitz: 2 for 3, 2 HR, 1 BB (LOL - OPS up to .933)
Martinez: 3 for 4, 2B
Barger: 3 for 4

Exit velocities:

108.7 - Barger (Single)
107.8 - Horwitz (HR)
105.9 - Barger (GIDP)
103.9 - Barger (Single)
100.9 - Horwitz (Groundout)
100.4 - Martinez (Single)
99.9 - Martinez (Single)
97.1 - Horwitz (HR)

Barger is an absolute unit. Legit three more bats in AAA likely ready next season.

Aight so what are we thinking? Horwitz to platoon with Vladdy at first ala Belt, Barger to replace Chapman at 3b and Martinez to backup Barger/Bo and pinch hit? Not looking forward to having to replace Chapman’s defence at 3rd, but if Barger can keep hitting for power and average at the MLB level it should be fine.

 

[The Nemesis]

O's ownership seems to be in the "find out" portion of proceedings after their glorious display of f***ing around.

 

[phillipmike]

Jays are first in the league in ERA (starter and relievers)

And first in the league in defensive runs saved;

Looks like the focus on run prevention is working but the offense of 2021 unfortunately is long gone. Let's hope the timely hitting comes soon because thats the difference between a good to a great team.

Lets find out if defense truly wins championships.

 

[phillipmike]

Kloffenstein with a great start to his Cards career; 5 innings, 1 ER, 6 Ks and 2 walks
Robberse, not so much; 3.1 innings, 6 ERs, 11 hits, 1 k and 3 walks
Same with Svanson; 2 appearances with 3.2 innings at AA, 3 ERs, 2 Ks and 1 BB

Sammy Hernandez (from the Genesis Cabrera trade) is off to an excellent start in rookie ball; 1.179 OPS with a .750 Slugging and .429 OPS (5 walks to 2 Ks)in 6 games .He should get promoted soon

 

[Eyedea]

On the topic of Doughty, Kasevich, Barriera, and Toman I was thinking the other day about that draft class and this years. Maybe it's the shiny new toy syndrome and early struggles from the 2022 class talking but despite having 2 comp picks in 2022 and not having a 2nd rounder in 2023 am I crazy in thinking the 2 draft classes for the Jays are close? Using their mlb pre draft rankings as a comparable

HS Pitcher Barriera ranked 15 v HS SS Nimmala ranked 11
HS SS/3B Toman ranked 35 v HS Pitcher Maroudis ranked 72
College 2B Doughty ranked 55 v College OF Bohrofen ranked 66
College SS Kasevich ranked 67 v College Pitcher Watts-Brown ranked 67
College OF Roden ranked 175 v College SS Goodwin ranked 163
College Pitcher Fluharty unranked v College Pitcher O'Halloran ranked 164

Brock, Williams, etc v Barry, Shaw, etc for the other top 10 rounds

I like the Gallagher, Perry, Stanifer, Hernandez round 11+ group from 2022 better than Brennan Orf and other stuff from this year.

Seems a lot closer to me than it probably should considering we essentially had 3 more 2nd rounders in 2022.

Outside of Toman's stock dropping I still don't think I'd take this draft over last tbh. I think Doughty/Kasevich/Roden is better than anything after Barriera/Nimmala unless Maroudis ends up throwing 95+.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Jays are first in the league in ERA (starter and relievers)

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And first in the league in defensive runs saved;

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Looks like the focus on run prevention is working but the offense of 2021 unfortunately is long gone. Let's hope the timely hitting comes soon because thats the difference between a good to a great team.

Lets find out if defense truly wins championships.

As bad as the offence has been, it couldn't possibly continue to be one of the worst in recent MLB history at scoring RISP, could it? You have to think at some point a few of those br's get brought in and all of a sudden the offence is at least mediocre. You can win with mediocre.

 

[stats1]

How many arb years does Vladdy have left? Because if he’s like this next year you might think of trying to sell him before talk of 300 million dollar extension start. He’s had a terrible year considering the calibre of hitter he is. Almost middle of August he’s got less than 20 HR’s and less than 70 RBI’s… not good enough

We got 3 legit bats that are really pushing for the big club next year all with control left. Might be a good idea to sell high on a guy and keep plugging the farm system

 

[stats1]

You could move him for starting pitching prospects which we badly need outside of Ricky T.

 

[Eyedea]

You could move him for starting pitching prospects which we badly need outside of Ricky T.

And why do we "need" that? We have Gausman/Berrios/Manoah for 3+ years.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I'd hate to have that convo without first knowing what he's really asking for. Surely his number has dropped significantly over the last 2 years. He's not exactly feared like he was 3 years ago.

 

[stats1]

And why do we "need" that? We have Gausman/Berrios/Manoah for 3+ years.

Cause our farm system is depleted. Outside of Ricky T and Barriera we lack in that department big time

And why do we "need" that? We have Gausman/Berrios/Manoah for 3+ years.

We currently have a ton of outfield/INF prospect depth, if we were to move Vladdy for sure pitching would be top priority

 

[Eyedea]

Cause our farm system is depleted. Outside of Ricky T and Barriera we lack in that department big time


We currently have a ton of outfield/INF prospect depth, if we were to move Vladdy for sure pitching would be top priority

I think they're doing well to replenish it and they continue to target arms in IFA/Rule 4 Draft. Plenty of sleepers and potential bounce backs lower in the system. Maybe not a ton of high quality talent but enough potential 4/5s to supplement the current rotation/future potential.

With the way the Jays strategize and build I'd be more inclined to believe that they would just consolidate whatever prospect depth they have to target major league pitching. It's been their MO and it's a great way to sustain winning.

 

[phillipmike]

If Chapman walks, I’m wondering if the Padres would want save money and clear a glut at the left side infielders.

Vladdy for Tatis, Machado or Xander? And the Jays can either go after a 1B (Votto or Belt) or roll with Horwitz.

 

[Eyedea]

If Chapman walks, I’m wondering if the Padres would want save money and clear a glut at the left side infielders.

Vladdy for Tatis, Machado or Xander? And the Jays can either go after a 1B (Votto or Belt) or roll with Horwitz.

I'd love Tatis but don't see them moving him now. He's an elite RFer. The other contracts are wild. Not sure I'd touch them tbh. Actually I'm more than positive I wouldn't.

 

[Discoverer]

These are Spencer Horwitz's AAA numbers before and after his brief promotion to the Jays in June:

Before: 259 PA, .300/.421/.405, 116 wRC+, 2 HR, 16.2 BB%, 17.8 K%, .105 ISO
After: 151 PA, .375/.490/.625, 180 wRC+, 7 HR, 17.2 BB%, 12.6 K%, .250 ISO

And that doesn't include today's 3-for-3 with a pair of doubles.

I doubt we'll see much of him the rest of the way, but I'm super comfortable penciling him in for a roster spot on Opening Day next year.

 

[canucksfan]

These are Spencer Horwitz's AAA numbers before and after his brief promotion to the Jays in June:

Before: 259 PA, .300/.421/.405, 116 wRC+, 2 HR, 16.2 BB%, 17.8 K%, .105 ISO
After: 151 PA, .375/.490/.625, 180 wRC+, 7 HR, 17.2 BB%, 12.6 K%, .250 ISO

And that doesn't include today's 3-for-3 with a pair of doubles.

I doubt we'll see much of him the rest of the way, but I'm super comfortable penciling him in for a roster spot on Opening Day next year.

He's an easy replacement for Belt. What's promising is the power is coming along nicely.

 

[Hoverhand]

Machado would be a fun buy low candidate because his defence still absolutely rules and he's getting babip'd hard this year despite some red circles still kicking around on his savant page.

However, jesus CHRIST that contract.

How much money would San Diego have to keep back for y'all to take that contract? 40%? Half?

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Not surprised at #2