Blue Jays Discussion: The official Davis Schneider Appreciation Society

[Canada4Gold]

That's what I've been asking for the last few months; what EXACTLY happened back there to cause every bat on this team that's been here for more than 3 months to drop off the face of the Earth? How haven't the hitting coaches been fired yet? Because if it's not either the hitting coaches or some kind of dumbass strategy, then we have to accept that the entire team just forgot how to hit in a year, and that seems highly unlikely.

What percentage of the Jays hitting drop off can be credited to the Rogers Center renovations? We all thought it wouldn't play that different, perhaps easier if anything but it hasn't really played out that way.

2022 Jays at home: .261/.326/.434/.760, 102 HR
2022 Jays on the road: .266/.331/.428/.759, 98 HR

Essentially the same team last year at home and on the road

2023 Jays on the road: .265/.335/.432/.767, 95 HR

Pretty much that exact same team this year on the road as they were last year

2023 Jays at home: .247/.323/.398/.721, 77 HR

Average down, slugging down, HR down. On base down but not by all that much. Seems like it's just a stat line that's missing a bunch of HR. In fact if you turned 25 fly outs into HR to make it equal to last years home total you would get the following slashline

.258/.332/.438/.770

Essentially the same team they were last year, and this year on the road. Maybe it's just more difficult to hit HRs this year in the new Rogers center. Lets look at the pitching to see how much they've improved at home and on the road

Pitching:

2022 at home: .248/.306/.411/.717, 102 HR
2022 on the road: .245/.309/.387/.696, 78 HR

Last year the Jays pitchers were similar at letting guys get hits and get on base but gave up way more HR at home.

2023 on the road: .251/.313/.416/.729, 92 HR

The Jays staff has been worse this year on the road compared to last year. That seems crazy since the staff has been great this year. Here's how they've been at home

2023 at home: .227/.303/.386/.689, 91 HR

Way better at home, quite a bit better than at home last year. HRs are down some but remember there are games left, probably not enough to give up 11 HR but some. Throw in 11 more HR to match last years totals and those numbers go up to:

.231/.307/.403/.710, more in line with last year at home as a whole, though the average is much lower

Seems like the Rogers Center might just be really difficult to hit homeruns in this year. It accounts for most of the hitting and pitching difference compared to last year and on the road they're pretty much the same teams they were last year. Perhaps it's not so much the team that's been much worse at hitting and much better at pitching but rather our baseline that's off because we're playing half our games in a park that's way tougher to hit homeruns in. If that's the case then this is what we should continue to see moving forward as well.

 

[jetsforever]

What percentage of the Jays hitting drop off can be credited to the Rogers Center renovations? We all thought it wouldn't play that different, perhaps easier if anything but it hasn't really played out that way.

2022 Jays at home: .261/.326/.434/.760, 102 HR
2022 Jays on the road: .266/.331/.428/.759, 98 HR

Essentially the same team last year at home and on the road

2023 Jays on the road: .265/.335/.432/.767, 95 HR

Pretty much that exact same team this year on the road as they were last year

2023 Jays at home: .247/.323/.398/.721, 77 HR

Average down, slugging down, HR down. On base down but not by all that much. Seems like it's just a stat line that's missing a bunch of HR. In fact if you turned 25 fly outs into HR to make it equal to last years home total you would get the following slashline

.258/.332/.438/.770

Essentially the same team they were last year, and this year on the road. Maybe it's just more difficult to hit HRs this year in the new Rogers center. Lets look at the pitching to see how much they've improved at home and on the road

Pitching:

2022 at home: .248/.306/.411/.717, 102 HR
2022 on the road: .245/.309/.387/.696, 78 HR

Last year the Jays pitchers were similar at letting guys get hits and get on base but gave up way more HR at home.

2023 on the road: .251/.313/.416/.729, 92 HR

The Jays staff has been worse this year on the road compared to last year. That seems crazy since the staff has been great this year. Here's how they've been at home

2023 at home: .227/.303/.386/.689, 91 HR

Way better at home, quite a bit better than at home last year. HRs are down some but remember there are games left, probably not enough to give up 11 HR but some. Throw in 11 more HR to match last years totals and those numbers go up to:

.231/.307/.403/.710, more in line with last year at home as a whole, though the average is much lower

Seems like the Rogers Center might just be really difficult to hit homeruns in this year. It accounts for most of the hitting and pitching difference compared to last year and on the road they're pretty much the same teams they were last year. Perhaps it's not so much the team that's been much worse at hitting and much better at pitching but rather our baseline that's off because we're playing half our games in a park that's way tougher to hit homeruns in. If that's the case then this is what we should continue to see moving forward as well.

I hope that's not true because this kind of hitting is bad to watch.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I hope that's not true because this kind of hitting is bad to watch.

I'll agree that it absolutely is not fun, and I groaned a bit mentally while writing that sentence. If this is the new normal I'll be tearing my hair out. Is this what Oakland and KC fans have felt like for their entire existence? Would Colorado fans feel the same way if they suddenly moved their fence 50 feet back and didn't tell anyone?

A bit of a lightbulb went off in my head when I went to look for those numbers though. Seemingly in 1 offseason the Jays forgot how to hit, not just that they traded away Teo, and Gurriel and brought in more defensive orientated guys but everyone suddenly got worse as a whole. Then Kikuchi, Berrios and the whole staff minus Manoah got way better as pitchers. What are the odds. Then I realized, hmmm the numbers on the road look normal, the walks look normal, average isn't down that much. The slugging has falling off a cliff, for both us and the opposition. What's new is nobody on either team seems capable of consistently hitting homeruns in the new Rogers Center. I don't understand why. The fence got higher in spots but it was also moved in. There's that spot in center where it's easier to take homeruns back but there's only been a handful of those this year. Our record is fine at home, it's just lower scoring both sides. The new Rogers Center has tricked us into believing the teams offense suddenly got way worse at the same time that the teams pitching got way better. When in reality it's likely neither.

 

[weems]

Aren't they lessening the foul ball territory this offseason to accommodate the lower bowl upgrades?

Pretty sure I read that somewhere and if so, that could slightly help the offense but also could hurt the pitching staff at home.

I think we have the second biggest foul ball territory in the league next to Oakland?

 

[mydnyte]

i'm pretty much willing to write off this entire season and see what happens next year when ball/strike calls are taken out of the hands of the umpires

Biggio may only hit .250 but his on base may be .600+

We also need a much better manager, else getting the calls wont help much with the mismanagement.

 

[Eyedea]

i'm pretty much willing to write off this entire season and see what happens next year when ball/strike calls are taken out of the hands of the umpires

Biggio may only hit .250 but his on base may be .600+

We also need a much better manager, else getting the calls wont help much with the mismanagement.

If robo umps do come next year, I petition for Biggio to bat leadoff.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

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[Eyedea]

Schneider better be loading up the lefties this evening

 

[Discoverer]

Schneider better be loading up the lefties this evening

Yep. With his struggles the last few games, this might be a good time to give Schneider a day off without taking a huge offensive hit... get all of Biggio/Varsho/Kiermaier/Horwitz in there and have Schneider available off the bench if the Yankees bring in a lefty late.

RF Springer
SS Bichette
DH Guerrero
2B Biggio
1B Horwitz
3B Chapman
LF Varsho
C Kirk
CF Kiermaier

 

[LaP]

What percentage of the Jays hitting drop off can be credited to the Rogers Center renovations?

According to Texas hitters none.

 

[Eyedea]

According to Texas hitters none.

True, but also SSS.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[Dr.Funk]

LOL

Takes me 3 days to get that much sleep

 

[Canada4Gold]

I sure hope that's 13 or 14 hours of sleep before every start and not every single night

 

[phillipmike]

Top 10 "hosed" AL batters (% strikes called outside the zone, min 500 pitches):

Cavan and Schneider really going to benefit from robot umps.

 

[phillipmike]

wRC+ Since September 1:
Biggio: 149
Horwitz: 144
Espinal: 138
Clement: 131
Springer: 124
Kirk: 122
Guerrero Jr.: 122
Kiermaier: 110
Schneider: 110
Varsho: 86
Chapman: 65
Bichette: 53
Merrifield: 26

Since August 1st, Jays are 9-3 vs AL East teams.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

LOL

Takes me 3 days to get that much sleep

The more I sleep, the crappier I feel. The once-in-a-blue-moon I am so wiped I sleep 10 to 11 hours, I wake up with a headache and feeling sluggish throughout the day.

More than half the day sleeping? Couldn't fathom.

 

[Suntouchable13]

wRC+ Since September 1:
Biggio: 149
Horwitz: 144
Espinal: 138
Clement: 131
Springer: 124
Kirk: 122
Guerrero Jr.: 122
Kiermaier: 110
Schneider: 110
Varsho: 86
Chapman: 65
Bichette: 53
Merrifield: 26

Since August 1st, Jays are 9-3 vs AL East teams.

Man, Whit is in some kinda rut right now.

 

[ShaneFalco]

The more I sleep, the crappier I feel. The once-in-a-blue-moon I am so wiped I sleep 10 to 11 hours, I wake up with a headache and feeling sluggish throughout the day.

More than half the day sleeping? Couldn't fathom.

No I'm the same way
Too much sleep and I feel tired all the time

 

[Suntouchable13]

Biggio developed into Ben Zobrist, basically, except the switch hitting.

 

[Bjindaho]

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It should be noted that he has 53 steals on the year, so he could be a weapon as a Dalton Pompey style bench player.

 

[Eyedea]

Poor Clement. He’s done well but with Bichette back the need has been another OFer. I wouldn’t mind him taking Whit’s/Espi’s role next year.

Cam Eden is fast and defends pretty well. Might even take some ABs vs lefties away from Whit in the OF though he’s had reverse splits in the minors.

 

[Suntouchable13]

How come this guy's name never even came up when the minor leagues were discussed on Blue Jays Central? I don't know much about the farm system. Never heard of Cam Eden till literally 30 minutes ago. Pretty much barely heard of Schneider before he came up too.

 

[Eyedea]

How come this guy's name never even came up when the minor leagues were discussed on Blue Jays Central? I don't know much about the farm system. Never heard of Cam Eden till literally 30 minutes ago. Pretty much barely heard of Schneider before he came up too.

Because Eden is pretty much a non-prospect. Only here because he provides speed and outfield defence. He's kinda like Myles Straw without the elite defence

 

[Discoverer]

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It should be noted that he has 53 steals on the year, so he could be a weapon as a Dalton Pompey style bench player.

I don't hate the idea of a guy can be used exclusively as a pinch-runner, especially on a team with as much positional versatility as the Jays have right now. They often end up using guys with just average speed in pinch-running spots, and it would be nice to have an actual excellent baserunner for that role.

It sucks for Clement, especially since he's earned more looks, but with Bo and Chapman back, Schneider earning more playing time, Biggio and Espinal both playing really well, and Merrifield needing at least a bit of time to work through whatever's going on with him, there probably wasn't much playing time to be had the rest of the way.