Blue Jays Discussion: The official Danny Jackson Appreciation Society
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Seath The Scaleless
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Interesting trade. I've never really thought much of Civale, but maybe they can turn him into a bonafide stud like they do with almost every pitcher they get. Optimize the pitch mix to continue to induce soft contact while upping his Ks
Steep price for sure, but with first base occupied for the foreseeable future and more prospects banging on the door, Manzardo was going to be blocked from entering that platoon-heavy lineup, and I doubt they would've put him in the outfield.
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BNS on Drive Time:
-He doesn't expect the Jays are done
-He doesn't know who they're targeting
-Mentions Pham/Canha as making sense, but he doesn't know who they're zoning in on
-They want a RHB
-He'd be surprised if they didn't add a bat
-Maybe you have to get a bit creative with the RHB
-Mentions Tommy Edman as an ideal fit
-You're upgrading over Luplow/Espinal for the RHB
Cards writer Derrick Gold is currently on Blair and Barker and he said when the Hicks deal was first reported, he was chasing a source to see if Jordan Montgomery was a part of the deal as the Jays were after him.
Says Tyler O’Neill is a possibility.
-He doesn't expect the Jays are done
-He doesn't know who they're targeting
-Mentions Pham/Canha as making sense, but he doesn't know who they're zoning in on
-They want a RHB
-He'd be surprised if they didn't add a bat
-Maybe you have to get a bit creative with the RHB
-Mentions Tommy Edman as an ideal fit
-You're upgrading over Luplow/Espinal for the RHB
Cards writer Derrick Gold is currently on Blair and Barker and he said when the Hicks deal was first reported, he was chasing a source to see if Jordan Montgomery was a part of the deal as the Jays were after him.
Says Tyler O’Neill is a possibility.
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Especially considering Sewald has an extra year of team control.
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Based off of what? Bliss and Canzone are two ~Top 15 type prospects for Arizona (Bliss arguably Top 10) and Rojas is a 29 year old who while not having a good season this year was worth 2.7 fWAR in 2022 and 1.7 fWAR in 2021 (so he's actually had MLB success)
Bliss obliterated AA this season and Canzone was obliterating AAA.
Neither Robberse nor Kloffenstein are even guaranteed MLB players. Kloffenstein in particular was barely even a prospect entering this season and still has fringe stuff regardless of his 'turnaround' repeating AA, he wasn't even a lock to be protected this winter.
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Wow, a lot of stuff going on now. M's finally make the playoffs and now are selling next deadline although they do have some nice pieces going forward.
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Surprised Seattle are selling with basically the same record and position as the Angels and Cubs who are buying.
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With Seattle waving the white flag with the latest sell off trades would not be shocked at all if Teo comes back to the Jays.
I’m surprised too that Seattle is selling. I mean you still have 2 months left. And only 4.5 back. Although they have to jump a few teams
I’m surprised too that Seattle is selling. I mean you still have 2 months left. And only 4.5 back. Although they have to jump a few teams
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Bliss has half a season of quality production in the most hitter friendly park in AA. Canzone might be good but again, hard to determine the bat’s value when he plays in Reno. Plus Canzone was a guy that went unclaimed in the rule 5 last year. Rojas is going to get expensive now due to that big year coming before his arb1. He was probably going to get cut this offseason.
I don’t even like Robberse all that much but I’d probably rate him the highest out of the group of prospects included in these two deals. Both he and Kloff are also younger and entering the same level as Bliss. I just think for the extra year of control on Sewald, Seattle could’ve gotten a better deal.
I'm curious about what the angels are missing out on by not trading Ohtani. Surely there's a team willing to give up A LOT.
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I get it though - he's a once in a lifetime player, and they have the money to bring him back. If they feel like they even have a 20% chance of re-signing him, they gotta stick it out. Especially with baseball prospects being so enigmatic.
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He's a 2-3 month rental, who isn't likely signing any extension without testing the open market. It's not worth as crazy a deal as you think. Baltimore traded Manny Machado under similar circumstances in a season wherein Machado put up 7 fWAR and they got one Top 50 prospect (who was LA's 3rd or 4th best prospect at the time of the trade - not even their #1 prospect) and like 4 other throw-in's who weren't "top prospects".
Ohtani is better/worth more than Machado was so I'm sure he'd garner more, but that doesn't change the fact that you are trading for a short duration of his skills.
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Ryan Bliss was a 2nd round pick and has the best underlying tools of anyone in either deal and he has also outproduced both guys we gave up this season (regardless of hitter park - his road splits in AA were also strong).
The age difference is a mirage as Bliss was a college draftee from 2021 so he automatically looks "old" in comparison to a HS and IFA kid, but he's not lagging behind at all. He hasn't repeated a single level. Look at the tools and not the age.
You are kind of waffling between two claims - the first one being that we actually gave up more, and the other that the extra year on Sewald means that Seattle should have received more. I just can't see any argument for us giving up more: both Bliss and Canzone are well above Kloffenstein as prospects, and Bliss has a higher upside than Robberse does and likely a better chance of reaching it as well. You are either overrating the guys we sent, or undervaluing Seattle's guys. Kloffenstein's underlying stuff is still that of a fringe MLB pitcher: below-average fastball that doesn't miss bats and allegedly fringe command. He's repeating AA and looks better, but that doesn't mean much in this case.
Eyedea
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Texas League in general is a hitter’s league and Amarillo is known to inflate homeruns and power numbers. Point being is that’s the only place Bliss has hit so far so I’m skeptical of his offensive value. DBacks have had so many prospects absolutely smack those AA/AAA levels with highlighted offensive tools only to fall flat once they got to the majors. So not only do I think the package is light compared to ours for Hicks, but because Sewald has an extra year of control I think Seattle missed out big time on capitalizing on his trade value.
And yes Kloff is kind of a throw in right now after a rebound year, but Robberse I think has the most potential out of the 4 prospects due to his repertoire and command.
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Astros trying to meet the rangers in expensive vet starter. Mets are clearing some serious cash. I did see yesterday they did say if they move verlander they won’t be eating a lot of his money
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