I would add that the consensus among the media and fans seemed to be that Springer should give us another year of higher end offensive productivity. He was obviously not going to stay in the 130-150 wRC+ range forever but I was expecting him to stick in the 120s this year and he's a step and a half behind that right now.
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phillipmike
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I was going to do something similar. If someone told me;
-Kirk is just above replacement level
-Up until a few weeks ago, Vladdy is a slightly above average 1B
-Varsho's bat is worse than Tapia
-Springer is having his worst season of his career
-Manoah is having a worse season than 2022 Berrios and Kikuchi
-Bass, Pop, and Cimber are either gone, likely out for the season or in the minors
-White isnt better than last year
-The top Jay is on pace for 28 HRs
I would say the season is lost and the Jays are 10+ games under ,500. Instead they are 10 games above and in a playoff spot with 6.5 GBs of 1st.
I would like to think some from the list above regress to the mean (Vladdy has already started and maybe Kirk and Manoah are getting there) and the Jays make additions at the deadline. All things considered they are in a good spot.
To me there are only 2 teams in the entire league that are truly happy where they are in the standings and with their team as a whole over the Jays;
-Atlanta
-Texas
Baltimore, Cincy and the Diamondbacks have to happy to but all these teams have quite a bit of holes and have been playing way above their heads.
trellaine201
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Why doesn’t anyone but me think the Angels will trade Ohtani and then resign him in the winter. Anaheim was where he wanted to go when he came. Why would he leave especially if they can get a boatload for him. Assuming they can.
metafour
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Why would he leave? I don't know, he's been with the Angels for 6 seasons now and they have made the playoffs a whopping 0 times during that stretch. And that is while he has been playing beside a second all-time great player (Trout).
I assume Ohtani has some sense of wanting to compete in the playoffs at some point soon? Why would he want to stay? It's one thing to choose the Angels when he's a 23 year old "prospect", but he's turning 30 next season and he's a championship caliber player in his prime. I assume he's acclimated enough to North America such that he's not going to be nervous about relocating elsewhere.
Seath The Scaleless
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Belt has actually been really solid for power in July, with half of his season HR total and a .295 ISO
He was riding a ridiculously high BABIP without much power before this month. We all knew he was going to come back down to earth, but you hoped he would swat some HRs in the process. He has done exactly that this month while walking at an incredible rate and the Ks haven't been as crazy as before
Eyedea
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I’d argue Whit’s exceeded. Lot of people before the season started thought he didn’t even deserve the starting 2B spot.
Suntouchable13
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What happened with Ryu in the second half of 2021 and in 2022 before the elbow surgery? Were all the struggles connected to the elbow? He was brilliant in 2020.
Springer is probably 'below expectations' but I think those expectations were probably unrealistic for a 33 y/o player starting his decline.
Bichette is 8th in the AL in WAR for position players. Exceeded expectations.
Chapman is 5th in the AL in WAR for position players. Exceeded expectations.
Merrifield looked to be a declining utility player and went to the ASG. Exceeded expectations.
trellaine201
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He must be rich collecting salaries from all these different teams lol
trellaine201
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TheBeastCoast
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The list is bigger then that. The Jays could afford 500M a lot of owners in the league could. They just won't.
Quick note about Cabrera:
With the exception of one mistake pitch, all of his four-seamers were higher in the zone where they don't compromise his slider. If he's going to throw 4 seamers up, 2 seamers down and a slider, then his pitches will play.
With the exception of one mistake pitch, all of his four-seamers were higher in the zone where they don't compromise his slider. If he's going to throw 4 seamers up, 2 seamers down and a slider, then his pitches will play.
As I said, I was strictly looking at offensive output to gauge the emotions of casual fans because the offence is currently the subject of great interrogation. I am more than pleased with their defensive performances adding to their WAR but they're both around their career averages with Bo being dead on.
I'll concede on Whit, there was a lot of fan optimism after his hot streak last year post-Escape From Kauffcatraz but yes, he has been doing quite well compared to his previous 2 seasons
LaP
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I feel like if you pay the Price for Ohtani you have to make sure you can extend him.
The thing about Ohtani is that not only is he an absolute stud player, but he also brings a huge lineup balance advantage.
If the Jays acquired Ohtani, they can run a 6 man rotation AND have an 8 man BP.
I don't think that insisting on extending him is really that big of a deal, because I think you reach out the second you acquire him (knowing that you are going to be offering 45+M a year long term).
Suntouchable13
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I hope they do it. I just think they are too conservative for that. Too bad. But this is the kind of player you do go all out for.
I think that the best destination for Ohtani is the Dodgers (based on what he wants). If any AL East team is involved in bidding, he is the kind of player that you make sure that they don't get him. This would be like the Leafs allowing McDavid to go to a team in East and not at least putting in a sizeable enough bid to keep a team like Montreal from potentially getting him at a bargain.
It isn't the end of the world if a Baltimore gets him, but they should only be able to do so if they pay dearly to do so.
I wonder if the Jays make a run at Soto, with KK gone after this season if i had to guess, Springer showing a decline. You get Soto for a corner OF spot and move Varsho to CF.
Especially with it being reported Soto may prefer the east coast.
Better chance to lock him up than Ohtani if I had to guess
Especially with it being reported Soto may prefer the east coast.
Better chance to lock him up than Ohtani if I had to guess
I don't see why SD would trade Soto. They are in a win every year mode and he's one of their best players. If they were moving a player, I could see them moving Tatis, hoping that they can get an absolute haul.
It depends how much they're willing to sacrifice the future at this point. They have a ludicrous amount of money tied up long term - $140 million for 6 players in 2027, $100 million for 3 players in 2033 (who will be 34, 40, and 40).
I know it's a decade away, but are they willing to push $140 million for 4 players (who will all be 34 or 40) at that point to win over the next few years? If they're not, they may be better served getting a good return for Soto and trying to build around the rest of the group they have locked up.
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Passan mentions the Rays, Orioles and Blue Jays as the most likely landing spots he's heard for Ohtani.
Suntouchable13
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Rays? Really? They are going to go out and do a move like that? Then re-sign him to 45+ million a year? Seems like a stretch.
weems
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It's a extremely risky potential move for obvious reasons but it would make our lineup so scary on both the pitching and hitting side.
Ohtani, Gausman, Berrios, Bassitt, Manoah
Does anyone have a better #1/#2 and that is the kind of depth you'd want for a long championship run.
Springer, Bichette, Ohtani, Vladdy.
We most likely don't have the pieces to make it happen unless they're very high on Orelvis Martinez (would need others also). Baltimore could make a move like this if they wanted considering they have such a stacked farm system.
Ohtani, Gausman, Berrios, Bassitt, Manoah
Does anyone have a better #1/#2 and that is the kind of depth you'd want for a long championship run.
Springer, Bichette, Ohtani, Vladdy.
We most likely don't have the pieces to make it happen unless they're very high on Orelvis Martinez (would need others also). Baltimore could make a move like this if they wanted considering they have such a stacked farm system.
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