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The Angels are 4 games back on July 5th with their last chance to do something with Ohtani. They'll be buyers at the deadline and they'll be in there.

I agree with your core message but it's going to be a dogfight.
They've had a bunch of injuries and Trout is likely gone for most of the season.

Angles could be in contention but I doubt it.
 
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Fun fact, Vladdy's been one of the best hitters in high leverage situations and is top 10 based on win probability added. This isn't a new thing (he's top 10 in high leverage since 2019) but there always seems to be this perception that he can't perform in the "clutch". The home runs were only a matter of time and he should surge in the 2nd half (barring an HR derby curse) to a very very good offensive year.
 
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7 RBIs too. He's only 21 and likely will finish the year in AA.

I think his defense is very good as well. I know quite a few of us bitch about Mitch White Trade but I like what I am seeing from De Jesus.

Yeah, a month ago De Jesus was scuffling in A ball, White was getting pounded in AAA and Frasso was unhittable at AA for the Dodgers.

With De Jesus catching fire, White actually throwing pretty well as an MLB mop-up guy, and Frasso coming back down to earth a bit that trade looks suddenly a lot less horrific.
 
Yeah, a month ago De Jesus was scuffling in A ball, White was getting pounded in AAA and Frasso was unhittable at AA for the Dodgers.

With De Jesus catching fire, White actually throwing pretty well as an MLB mop-up guy, and Frasso coming back down to earth a bit that trade looks suddenly a lot less horrific.
Felt like some of the helium for Frasso was a little wild at the time. BA having him up to #68 kind of made me wonder if it was a little Dodgers inflation going on there. I mean the arm talent is undeniable but he has a lot of question marks and is 24 years old with 24 innings in AA ball across 2 seasons.
 
Felt like some of the helium for Frasso was a little wild at the time. BA having him up to #68 kind of made me wonder if it was a little Dodgers inflation going on there. I mean the arm talent is undeniable but he has a lot of question marks and is 24 years old with 24 innings in AA ball across 2 seasons.

Orelvis will probably be MIA on the midseason report too despite putting up a spectacular season. Dodgers have had a wealth of riches in their system for a decade now but it definitely seems like they get pumped up Yankee style.
 
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Orelvis will probably be MIA on the midseason report too despite putting up a spectacular season. Dodgers have had a wealth of riches in their system for a decade now but it definitely seems like they get pumped up Yankee style.
It would be crazy to not have him back on top 100 lists at this point. He's still only 21 and playing SS full time in AA with a 123 wRC+ despite still having one of the lowest BABIPs in the minors.

Since May 10: 45 games, fantastic BB and K rates (both 16.4%), .318 ISO, .305/.425/.623 for a 1.048 OPS and a 176 wRC+ (and that's without a crazy high BABIP... it's still just a completely normal .303 during that stretch).
 
It would be crazy to not have him back on top 100 lists at this point. He's still only 21 and playing SS full time in AA with a 123 wRC+ despite still having one of the lowest BABIPs in the minors.

Since May 10: 45 games, fantastic BB and K rates (both 16.4%), .318 ISO, .305/.425/.623 for a 1.048 OPS and a 176 wRC+ (and that's without a crazy high BABIP... it's still just a completely normal .303 during that stretch).

Remember when Jansen went nuclear in 2017 and he didn't feature on top 100s? He only entered the back half of them after his 2018 split in AAA/MLB. Non-prospect Biggio with a big year as an albeit older guy (23 in AA). Even Kirk wasn't a top 100 guy until after that covid cup of coffee and everyone realized he had a special bat. Moreno also went from a nobody to top 10 because they were sleeping on him. I know there's only 100 spots to go around... but a lot of our breakout guys never really get the same recognition as those big orgs. It's kinda odd because the Jays are usually frequently thrown into trade rumours because of the clicks it generates.
 
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Fun fact, Vladdy's been one of the best hitters in high leverage situations and is top 10 based on win probability added. This isn't a new thing (he's top 10 in high leverage since 2019) but there always seems to be this perception that he can't perform in the "clutch". The home runs were only a matter of time and he should surge in the 2nd half (barring an HR derby curse) to a very very good offensive year.
Maybe the Home Run Derby helps Vladdy with his launch angle. :sarcasm:
 
That covid shortened season really screwed our prospect pool to a point. At first it was going to be the culmination of the previous season and covid shortened season together to decide the draft order. Then abruptly as a few dynasty teams.dropped in the rankings a few young teams overachieved they decided the order would just be the shortened season.

But we can just hope we catch fire in july and put some streaks together
 
6 AL guys and 2 NL guys is a bit weird.

I was expecting Vlad and Pete on opposite sides of the bracket. I'd have thought that that would have been the final MLB was hoping for.
 
Leo Jimenez hit his 6th homerun, all of which have come since May 28 (32 games). Orelvis obviously gets a lot of praise for his progression this season but feel like Leo is turning into another legit prospect by tapping into his power.
 
Leo Jimenez hit his 6th homerun, all of which have come since May 28 (32 games). Orelvis obviously gets a lot of praise for his progression this season but feel like Leo is turning into another legit prospect by tapping into his power.
He's having such a good season. He had shown absolutely no power prior to last year (1 HR in about 650 PA), and the first month or two of this year it looked like he had reverted to that form.

He reminds me of Espinal when the Jays got him - solid defense up the middle, good patience and bat to ball skills at the plate, has shown enough power to at least be interesting, but his ceiling will depend whether or not he can maintain the power.
 
He's having such a good season. He had shown absolutely no power prior to last year (1 HR in about 650 PA), and the first month or two of this year it looked like he had reverted to that form.

He reminds me of Espinal when the Jays got him - solid defense up the middle, good patience and bat to ball skills at the plate, has shown enough power to at least be interesting, but his ceiling will depend whether or not he can maintain the power.

I think he’s got a better approach than Espi, kinda like Tovar or McLain. A lot more line drives as opposed to groundballs. Post covid year he really bulked up and was showing BP power. After that it seems like he’s been able to unlock it in game.
 
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Apparently the Cubs want pitching control in return for Stroman. The Jays have a lot of quantity in the pitching department. Wouldn’t mind trading some quantity with control for some quality even if they have less control.

If the Jays are willing to take on some salary, something like Zulueta, Kikuchi and Cimber for Stroman and Suzuki. All 3 of those guys could be useful to Chicago. And for the Jays we get a platoon bat for Varsho (Suzuki mashes lefties) and a rental top of the rotation starter.

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Any of you guys are doing this?

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I know i am. Getting a game 2 playoff starter and the BEST bat in the league which happens to be left handed is too give to give up. Selling high on Jimenez and Orelvis is the right thing to do especially with Bo here and Barger over taking those guys. Still have Espinal and a bunch of left side infielders in the system. Barriera is still an unknown. Tiedemann hurts but im willing to bet Tiedeman for maybe the best player baseball has ever seen in his prime.

If you dont like the 2 month rental, what about this retool for the Padres;

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Another one i do. 1.5 years of an elite bat and a 0.5 season of an elite pen arm. Same as the players above but added White and Varsho. Sucks to lose Varsho but 1.5 years of Soto is better than 3.5 years of Varsho. Vladdy looks to be a very good 1B but he is averaging 2-3 WAR a season in his career. I am not committing $300M+ to Vladdy. But in 1.5 years with only $105M committed to Gasuman, Springer, Berrios, Bassit and Bo, i rather invest $400-500M on a 26 year old Soto which will help with the loss of Varsho.
 
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