HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

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Benstheman

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The good news is when our schedule gets the hardest is when we should gut the team even further of pieces like Monahan.
If Monty still playing and healthy, the players we trade won't change the situation that much.

The Habs will finish somewhere between 75 and 80 pts imo.
 
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WeThreeKings

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If Monty still playing and healthy, the players we trade won't change the situation that much.

The Habs will finish somewhere between 75 and 80 pts imo.

If you take away Monahan that pretty much puts things as a one line team and Monty won't sustain 40 saves a night, especially when the 3 goalie rotation ends. Fatigue will set in.
 
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If you take away Monahan that pretty much puts things as a one line team and Monty won't sustain 40 saves a night, especially when the 3 goalie rotation ends. Fatigue will set in.
That and suzuki will fall flat on his face because he'll be double shifted. even if Newhook return and play C, there is still one C short. I suspect that a plug may be added for the 4th C spot, but it wont provide the same level a Monahan right now.
 
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Schedule looks pretty soft for the next 8 games, if we go 4-4 in those that'll be fine by me. Then the freefall begins in late February when things really get tough and we lose Moneyhands by early March.

Calgary could be a big problem, they just lost to the Blues and Jackets at home to complete 4 straight losses. They better not lose to Chicago on Saturday. After the deadline they'll be without Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin too.
 

Captain Mountain

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No team is made up of 50 goal scorers. But if you have two you’re in amazing shape.

Goal scoring is far harder to acquire than two way play. You can find two way players much easier. Hell, Dach can give you two way play… just play them together

Just putting guys together isn't as good as having two guys that can do both.

I'm just saying that fixating on goal scoring looks like a trap - guys need to do more than just score.

This is true the other way too, if you can create chances, but can't (or don't) shoot well enough or often enough, then there's going to be a ceiling to what you can do.

Its one of the reasons Montreal's 5v5 play has been so brutal the last few years. If you have a line with someone that only really scores and someone that creates chances, but doesn't shoot enough or well enough, they're far easier to defend against than a line with a bunch of dual threats.

I haven't gotten deep into draft prospects yet, but you don't pick a guy like Eiserman because he scores goals, you have to think he can create as well.

Wait, are you implying Anderson can score 50? How high are you brother?

You stick Anderson on a line with McDavid and another elite forward and he could. He wont, but my point is that its not enough to score goals if you have the vision and playmaking of literal slab of rock.
 

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Schedule looks pretty soft for the next 8 games, if we go 4-4 in those that'll be fine by me. Then the freefall begins in late February when things really get tough and we lose Moneyhands by early March.

Calgary could be a big problem, they just lost to the Blues and Jackets at home to complete 4 straight losses. They better not lose to Chicago on Saturday. After the deadline they'll be without Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin too.
Maybe ..maybe not, there are rumblings ownership is not interested in a rebuild & wants the resigned
 

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Just putting guys together isn't as good as having two guys that can do both.

I'm just saying that fixating on goal scoring looks like a trap - guys need to do more than just score.

This is true the other way too, if you can create chances, but can't (or don't) shoot well enough or often enough, then there's going to be a ceiling to what you can do.

Its one of the reasons Montreal's 5v5 play has been so brutal the last few years. If you have a line with someone that only really scores and someone that creates chances, but doesn't shoot enough or well enough, they're far easier to defend against than a line with a bunch of dual threats.

I haven't gotten deep into draft prospects yet, but you don't pick a guy like Eiserman because he scores goals, you have to think he can create as well.



You stick Anderson on a line with McDavid and another elite forward and he could. He wont, but my point is that its not enough to score goals if you have the vision and playmaking of literal slab of rock.
Eiserman is a pure goal scorer just like CC is.

Cc is finally normalizing. Over the past couple of weeks he’s back to a 16 percent shooting percentage. He’s scoring at a 57 goal pace over 82. A shame that his numbers were so bad before but I think what we’re seeing now is a lot closer to the norm. He’s easily our best offensive player and if we added another guy like him we’d be very tough to beat.

Suzuki and Dach are good two way players. Owen Beck is a good two way player. Slaf and Roy will likely be two way players. A 50 goal sniper on each of our top two plus the blueline would be incredible.

Like you, I don’t follow the minors. So maybe there’s some reason not to draft him. But all things being equal, I think you’re overthinking this. If a 50 goal guy comes up, grab him and build around it. Two way players are way easier to find than guys who can put the puck in at an elite level. Defense can be taught. Elite goalscoring can’t.
 
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Lafleurs Guy

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Trading Monahan would massively help the tank. He’s been great lately and actually has assisted on more of CC’s goals recently than Suzuki has. :laugh:

Without him we really only have one real center left. :laugh: The team would have to collapse after that.
 

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As much as i'd like to extend Monahan cause i like the player he's gonna be 30 next season and his value will be at its highest. If he'd be 2-3 years younger sure i'd be 100% for extending him but he's lot older than our core (not named Suzuki) and well it's not a good fit moving forward. I would have liked to have the player 5-6 years ago though. Imagine having him in this shape the year we had Radulov or the year we went to the scf.
 

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As much as i'd like to extend Monahan cause i like the player he's gonna be 30 next season and his value will be at its highest. If he'd be 2-3 years younger sure i'd be 100% for extending him but he's lot older than our core (not named Suzuki) and well it's not a good fit moving forward. I would have liked to have the player 5-6 years ago though. Imagine having him in this shape the year we had Radulov or the year we went to the scf.
That also means you would have had him in those 3 seasons from 2019-22, when his production cratered due to a multitude of significant injuries and surgeries.

Love the guy’s IQ and how good of a mentor he can be and that makes it tough to deal him. Health risk gives pause.
 
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The Great Weal

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Trading Monahan would massively help the tank. He’s been great lately and actually has assisted on more of CC’s goals recently than Suzuki has. :laugh:

Without him we really only have one real center left. :laugh: The team would have to collapse after that.
I'm assuming Newhook will be back around the time Monahan gets traded and will have to play center. He might not do as well as Monahan, but it's a helpful addition.
 

MarkovsKnee

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We really need that Blues - Kraken game tonight to go into OT or a shootout with a Seattle win.

We need Pens to beat Florida, but I seriously doubt that happens. Montreal plays Pittsburgh tomorrow night. We could hop Pens with a win. We've been really good against the Metro this year. Though, Pens will have 3 games in hand on us.
 
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